Either way I've seen very few soapy stars that actually act. Most need a lot of other work before they can make it.
Or they can just bank on being pretty and getting their kit off for studio people
nah she wasn't in the first film,
i thought she played a sexy tease roll
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there will be blood. fucking weird. though for a 2 1/2 hour film it didn't drag very much. some slow parts, some disturbing parts. it shouldn't have been rated R.
I've seen several new movies recently but I'll only comment on one.
The Hangover. Very Funny. I would certainly see it again.
I also saw Transformers just last week, yea. Loud noises.
The biggest difference between you and me is you're you, and I'm me. I always win. Sorry bro.
I tried to like it, i really did. Lewis's character was fantastic and he completely deserved the best actor nod, but the film was a continuing scene of somewhat strange events. not to mention the ending just left a terrible taste in my mouth. not only weird and deranged, but then the music? idk what it was going for, but i didn't get it.
and i wouldn't even try to argue with you about it as i'm aware there are layers to it that i just didn't pick up on though i tried. i'm not able to look as deep as you are in the actual commentary a movie is trying to make or message/ideal it's trying to send. i can pick up on it occasionally when it isn't as "out there" as this film was, but for the most part, i'm a face value kinda movie watcher. and for face value, it just came off as bizarre. for instance, the introduction of his "brother"...... it had absolutely imo no impact on the movie or relevance, just ended up being weird.
and, since he obviously was not a religious man, why, after he BS'd that little "i'm a sinner" speech in the church, did he actually reunite with his son? he was only there to get what he wanted and i don't understand how that made him want to find his son. it just seemed like the movie couldn't work without it so, BAM, he finds his son.
the ending.....dude i don't even know what to say. i thought it was horrific what he did to that religious wacko and completely unsubstantiated. he kept drifting more and more into madness.....but really why? did his son becoming deaf really mess him up that much? because everything else business wise seemed to be going well. why after making him say those things ("i'm a false profit") did he just go batshit killer crazy? i really just don't connect the dots here and think the movie tries to be somewhat non-sequitar in an effort to be artistic/different, but just ends up being weird.
EDIT: i know some of you get your panties in a bunch if there's no spoilers, so just a fyi, don't read this if you want to see there will be blood.
Lewis did a great job as I said conveying ambition and drive and what many of these oil start ups must have been like in those days. Just the ambiance and flavor, if you will.
Perhaps in the end the reason I found it strange was my lack of connection with the characters. Perhaps I should watch it a second time.
I actually find the scene at the church to be one of the more touching moments in the entire film. Eli and Plainview were both people who put on airs and were both greatly invested in the image so this scene becomes a concession of power by Plainview to Eli. After what happened with his faux-kinsman, Daniel realizes how important HW is to him. That, although he didn't raise him, he felt closer to him than anyone else he'd encountered. The looks of anger and discontent he shoots Eli during his "confession" are appropriate, as he A) knows Eli is correct, and B) doesn't want to look weak in comparison to the "almighty preacher". Plainview knows he's a fraud and probably knew upon first meeting him. He's seen too much and has exploited too many people to not know what it looks like when people are following something without question. This ties back into an early scene, where Plainview and HW make a pitch but eventually refuse the contract when the meeting erupts in question and speculation. He realized there's no point in dealing with a town of free-thinkers; they're harder to exploit. This is why he settles into Little Boston -- the people are sheep and he finds himself a rival, which he needs. At this point of his life, he clearly doesn't feel a connection you'd label as "love" to his son and Eli's existence (and the resulting feud) gives him purpose. It's not until later that he realizes how close he was to HW, but this only comes after he's pushed him away. Hence his immense drop-off in sanity between the time the film leaves Little Boston and rejoins Plainview in his mansion. At this point he has nothing but a petty rivalry. He has money, sure, but no purpose.Originally Posted by Duality
Ha, the ending was hardly trying to be arty for the sake of it, but it is intended to be funny (the black humor is thick as molasses). I've touched on why Plainview lost his mind in the above responses but the most important thing to remember is that the movie is adamantly about him, his emotional longing, and how this translates to physical behavior. Killing Eli was like smashing a mirror to Plainview, as he ended up seeing himself more in Eli than anyone else on Earth, including the boy he raised who isn't really his and the brother he'll never get the chance to know again. Again, what he has is his rivalry with Eli, who is now actually his family by marriage, something that terrifies Plainview. While he'd always longed for someone to share - not his success - but himself with, he's now left with Eli...that's it. Everything he wanted in his life (success aside, which doesn't bring him joy anyway) is now gone and he traces this back to his involvement in Little Boston and the chasm that existed between he and Eli's sensibilities. Eli becomes a reminder of his failures, not as a business man but as a human being. Thus, he hopes that squashing him will end his own conscience connection to a life he has no reason to remember and he can go, as if reborn. Naturally, we don't really see what happens to him afterward, but the satisfied nature in which he delivers the final line is indicative of his contention. Above all, director PT Anderson realizes that Plainview is a product of cinema and thus gives him that final send off at a "high point" of his life, even if he comes to grossly regret it later. This also ties into the idea that class distinctions are also legal distinctions and that the rich can play by a different set of rules than the poor, especially in the face of an economic collapse (relevant, eh? ;) )Quote
wow. i won't address each section individually (not because of effort but lack of capability) but i did read the entire thing. you have a very different mind and frame of thought when it comes to cinema. how many times have you watched this film (i know you have a huge boner for it as it was once part of your signature :keke:)?
everything you wrote made complete sense. all of it. and upon reading it and recalling the movie i feel less compelled to describe it as weird. but, while you are right in your analysis, do you think the director would feel the same? movies are a business, and they're there to make money. this film can maybe be fully understood, at the level at which you're describing, by 5% of America. let alone in one viewing. idk it just seems like a shame that a director would put that much work and layers into his film for it to go unnoticed.
I really didn't think much of that film. Jamie Fox acted Cruise off the screen, but I always find Fox to be annoying for some reason. Probably the demons of roles past (Any Given Sunday as an example), so I don't fully accept any of his individual roles
I think the main reason that Cruise appeared good in this was that it wasn't a standard role for him. Which is exactly what the media buzz at the time was all about.