serb i dont want to run test for so long on a high dosage, i like short test cycles, but ima run the eq for longer to get a good gain from it, ive already had this discussion with alot of people, thats what i think is safer for me.
600mgs Test Cyp, 450 mgs of Eq for your whole cycle. Its a basic beginner cycle. Still have enough EQ in your system to get the effects and Test is what puts the mass on you. Also if your going to take test for any amount of time you might as well take it through out your whole cycle. I see no reason for getting off and continuing with EQ. Just my thoughts.
Also I re-read some of the thread and why not run test for the whole cycle? Why do you believe its not safe as a shorter cycle? Once your test is shut down, its down.
I'm not sure why your are hesitant with Test but still willing to take 600mgs of EQ? Test is whats going to put the mass on you. If you do anything, please take the test through out your whole cycle. It will make a hell of a difference. And make sure your caloric intake is going up to match what your taking.
For HCG, look into how to take it. I've always been told to take it about the same time you take your last shot(maybe a little later depending on your dosage). HCG doesn't bring back your Test levels, it brings back your balls so you can restore your test levels faster. Thats just my understanding of it. So you start the HCG before PCT so when PCT is started, its in full effect and you don't lose your gains. I have just never taken HCG with my cycles so this is just hearsay from my buddies and articles.
pimpin, so youve done pcts with completely novedex or clomid?