Wow, thanks for the reply's and a great discussion
You show me where it states that the human body can process that much protein? As Tim said you sound like a damn MuscleTech Ad! If anything protein should be based on LBM, LEAN BODY MASS... Not total body weight.. I hear countless times well I weight about 200 well fat ass what is your LBM ( not directed towards you or anyone on this board but in general. ) If you need scientific studies than I will dig some up. But each person is different and process marco nutrients differently than others, that is why we have many diet and some work for some and other don't. You will see countless DIET GURU's saying different' things. Just for you to claim that a person needs to base their protein needs of total body weight is ridiculous.
ahh protein bars. Fuck 'em to be honest, their filled with garbage you don't need.
Anymore than protein than 1g/lb of bodyweight seems wasteful to me, BULKING. If you're not gaining weight then rearrange your remaining macros. Carbs and fats are most likely unstable. Carbs themselves are protein sparing.
Protein synthesis can only happen so fast. Not all protein is used for muscle growth and repair. The excess will be either converted to pyruvate and then to glucose or it can be broken down to Aceytl CoA: which can only be used for energy or stored as fat. Some may argue it's used for something (ATP) but that is not protein's main purpose.
I agree, advertisers make it seem like more protein = more growth. For some, that may work, but scientifically speaking that's not usually the case.
To the orginial poster:
I'm a highschool student myself! Don't stress out. Life's life. Eat what you can at your lunch period then make it up when you get out, eating every 2 hours. Quite simply. Eat a large breakfest, maybe even with a casein protein source, eat at lunch then eat directly when you get home. May not be evenly spaced....but it works!
I agree with Tim. High amounts of protein are over-rated. If I recall correctly the most amount of protein anyone should ever need is 1.6g per kg of body weight (and this was elite level athletes). Just make sure you get some 3-4 servings of meat/poultry and a good amount of diary and keep your calories where they need to be to reach your goals.
EDIT: Also, I agree with The KM. There's really no need to eat every 2-3 hours. Just make sure your getting in whatever amount of calories you need to reach your goals every day.
Wolf, I agree. Try to include a larger portion of complete protein sources. Incomplete sources like that in grains, vegetables, potatoes, etc add up so make sure to include that also. Especially when bulking, most whole wheat slices of bread contain 4-5g of protein, so do 1 serving of rolled oats. The same goes around the board, when eating high amounts of these....it adds up quickly.
Tim, your interpertation of the paper is simly wrong.
Futhermore, I also disagree with the issues you bring up. Negletion of carbs? What do you even mean with that? There should be plenty of room left for carbs. And do you realize that most bulk carb foods are also highly acid forming? Rice and oats, the favorite bodybuilding carb choices are on top of the list.
PS. I'm extremly busy atm , and it's unlikely that I can/will visit the forum more than once maybe twice a week. So it might take a while before I respond to posts.
Once again you have cherry picked the information. You are assuming that it is talking about BBing style high intakes, it was actually testing rates previously used to arrive at the accepted FDA and NSCA levels. These levels are quite low and it was talking about rates higher than that, the 1.2g/kg I was talking about. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this.Quote
No I'm deliberately fucking with you :dunnodude: Just read the whole threads not just those posts immediately around my post. Pickle actually posted a whole reference list for acidosis diets.Quote
Cost: protein is more expensive kg/kg compared with carbs or fats. It is also more costly to process for energy which is what happens with higher rates of protein intake.Quote
Neglecting carbs: If you have X amount of calories to take in and you increase the protein intake you then have to decrease the other macros. Pretty simple maths that will lead to less carbs used for energy and more protein for burning.
Acidosis: Is bad M'kay! A bbing diet is particularly bad for this hence the talk of it when people go off the deep end with high protein rates or the incorrect carb choices/balances.
Drop the attitude, look into that
This is the point where I should just stop because it's obvious that you're arguing from a egodefensive point.
Was there a part in that study that said why higher amounts might be better? Most good scholarly journals end with a statement that "leaves the study open for further investigation" and it sounds like thats what that comment was about. Unless there was actual evidence to suggest higher amounts might be better within that study.
Oh but you were being insulting weren't you :jerkoff1: The reason I post here at all is to stop noobs and experienced guys alike falling into the same old traps that I fell into. The internet hasn't stopped the myths and poor information circulating, it has perpetuated it.
The evidence I provide is good solid science and not an ad off the back of a supplement container or Muscle and Fiction comic. The study I posted previously was a rather large review of the studies on how much protein we actually need. What it concluded was that most althletes get more than enough, and while higher rates haven't been shown to be detrimental to health (as long as other things oare observed), they recommend focussing on getting the nutrients, vitamins and fibre that most do lack (i.e. carb sources).