I gained 11 lbs and kept 9 lbs after pct. With proper diet and training these are the type of gains you can expect also nice strength gains. There are sides it drys the heck out of your joints and I lost some hair. Alot of people complain of back pumps.
This is a oral steriod you need to take support supps. Cycle Support and preload it 10-14 days before you start and continue while your on cycle. PCT is a must. Although it is possible to run a OTC PCT with this I would recommend low dosed Nolva 20/20/10/10 with some Post Cyle Support and you should be good.
Post Cycle Support
I am not endorsing OTC PCT as there are only a few compounds I feel stronly about that a OTC PCT can be used(h-drol and some of the unmethylated compounds)here is a good link on it.
If we are talking legal steriods I would say M-drol. There are other double and triple steriod compounds but I would not touch them with a 10 foot pole.
If this is a 1st or 2nd cycle stay far away from M-drol the sides can be very harsh and no OTC PCT is enough for this compound.
How safe are steroids? No one really knows a ton on long term effects, specially these designer steroids since there are no long term studies being done. I would consider it safe as long as you watch your blood pressure and other vitals. Be smart when your taking it and pay attention to your body and you will be fine.
^^Havoc is very "safe" in terms of orals. Keep the dose reasonable (2-4 caps a day) and I would keep the cycle very short, 4 weeks max. In terms of sides, Havoc has virtually none when done correctly. Keep in mind that any oral you do will be hard on the liver and this is something that you wont be able to feel.
It is one of the safer 17A methyl steriods. With proper supports and a good pct it can be run safely. I would also keep it to 4 weeks some run it up to 6 I do not suggest that. I also agree it should not be run over 40mg.
The biggest thing IMO as to if these are safe or not is giving your body a proper break in between the cycles. I would not run more than 2 desiginer cycles per year.
This may sound weird but I would be scared to take these designer steroids. They dont know what the effects will be on long term. With steroids this is different. Most of them have propper research data and there is a lot of experience info on the net. Imo if you wanna try something your better off with roids since both are bad but roids have propper info.
Dunno if this is correct but this is how I feel.