I Wouldn't mind learning more about the compound in havoc, it would be interesting,
If anyone can find any information regarding the compound of havoc on how it really works and how its converted when its in the body or even if it doesn't need to be if its already active in the capsule
youngmusclejock is accurate in his assesment.
speaking of orals. all i can say is this. they work. and they work very well. this notion that they work less or are inferior to injectables is ludicrious. and using them at the beginning of a cycle as compared to the end or inbetween in all honestly makes litttle if any difference. you will grow all the same. and again the thought that you lose more of what you gained from orals is again fallacy. you keep busting your ass and eating right, you will keep your gains. no ifs ands or buts about it. this applies to all steroid use.
you're speaking based off things you've read or believe to be true because they make sense rather than how the real world works. so to respond to your statement, no that is not true. not only have i experienced this myself, but they're is a fine specimen of a bodybuilder at our gym who absolutley trounces this theory. his name is marlon joyner (you may be able to google his name and find pics) and he is massive. and he is eons past what he would have attained naturally, and he is drug free for i believe 5 years now. i invite you to aske braaq more about this guy.
this is a simple example granted. but your theory (not just yours i know, many people think this) is very elementary in thought process. the body absolutly looovvvesss this really shitty thing called homostasis. as long as you don't give it a reason to change (bad diet, lack of training) you will stay the same. just because a steroid can push you past a genetic plateau doesn't mean you fall right back down afterwards. quite honestly this is the though process of a defeated person. you keep training and eating, you stay the same.
please don't give a counter example of someone like jay or ronnie, they are clearly past a phase where there immense level of size could be attained without some chemical support, i'm speaking more of the recreational bber who has pushed above his genetic threshold, not the size freak pro
The biggest thing people see when some one uses orals and "loses" their gains is the loss of water weight and size. You stop taking anadrol and guess what? You will lose some size, there is no way about it. You hold a good amount of water and nutrients because of the drug but you don't necessarily lose muscle when you stop like most people believe. The muscle loss mostly comes from not having balanced hormones, lack of diet, lack of training and lack of intensity in the gym.
You need a certain level of hormones to maintain a certain level of size. Obviously, there is a fine line here where (as duality mentioned) a professional bodybuilder will not maintain there mountains of mass even if there test levels fall back to that of a normal adult. If somebody does a cycle (whether it be oral or injectable), and follows proper pct, they will be able to maintain muscle mass if all other variables are in place.