^^ I discussed this previously. It is relatively easy to spot when someone is not being truthfull, especially when you ask for details. There are some things he is full of shit on and others he is just exaggerating slightly. For example his KKK story is just bogus. The likelyhood that he saw a lynching and wasn't spotted is just preposterous. He also had absolutely no details about the incident and the person he was with changed from being a mate to being a relative, etc.
It's the same in the logs. If you know roughly what a strength training individual is capable of then you can spot outliers (easiest one is from squat poundage and claims of ATG with a deadlift that doesn't match). So all it takes is a look at experience level and relative size/proportions and you can work out if someone's claims are legit.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "not the best judge of character" and what that has to do with lying.
I said you would then look at the other details. :methman:
One thing you can say is that you don't get too many unassissted squats that are the same as their deadlift. So you can assume that their depth on the squat isn't particularly low, or that they wear support gear, or that they have some shitty proportions for deadlifting (or all of those). You look at the rest of what they do, their stats and then figure it out.
doesn't the bolded statement alone devalidate any percieved ability to spot a lier?
and this person uses knee wraps, and goes about 80-85 degrees in depth while squatting. liar?
edit: i know i'm giving you a hard time tim, but i'm just curious as to what your response is based on your "sleuthing"
No. The bolded part just means you have to take a look at his other lifts and stats!!! I'm not the greatest lie detector but science does make one a skeptic and trains you to work through things logically.
I'm not saying you can see a number and go calling BS. But you can can then ask the questions you need to in order to figure it out.
Most trainees will be doing well to have a 1.5xBW bench, 2xBW squat and 2.5xBW deadlift, plus 1xBW overhead. So when you see someone who claims to have a double bodyweight incline press and yet they can't overhead press their own bodyweight then alarm bells start ringing. But you still have to find out if they do those lifts on a machine, whether they have a shoulder injury, whether they don't overhead press much, etc, etc, etc.
So in the example you gave: the lifter is unlikely to hit thighs parrallel (which I assume the 80-85 degrees is not the 100-110 you need dependant on style), or is unlikely to be squatting without assisstance (knee wraps can be worth 15-25kg or several reps), or may have a spotter, or may have shit form. At a guess the lifter is unlikely to be over 5'9" unless they are over 220lb. Have they got a long enough training history, most would need 4-5yrs to reach this stage, unless other factors such as AAS are involved. If they are a professional lifter then these terms of reference aren't accurate but this would be apparent in the way that the lifter trains or their stats.
I'm not saying it is simple, but it is relatively easy. The above example I gave is from a lifter that claims to incline press over 1.5xBW (pretty damned impressive for 2yrs training) yet only manages to do the equivilent of 0.6xBW when shoulder pressing. Doesn't that sound suspect to you too?