what to do/use

lukeyboy · Sep 21, 2009

im trying to gain size.
however im a drug tested athlete.
i cant take supplements, even though theyre not banned, due to the risk of cross contamination.

so im looking for something with zero risk, that has roughly the same G of protein.

so far the only think ive found is milk power, with per 100G has 35G of protien.

any thoughts or ideas if i should stay with this or try something else ?

cheers

Flex · Sep 21, 2009

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=62

PrinceVegeta · Sep 21, 2009

What is this cross contamination u speak of?

tim290280 · Sep 21, 2009

Cross contamination???? Wouldn't happen.

What you are thinking of was deliberate additions of substances to peak the results from a "wonder" supplement.

If you are grabbing just a stock standard protein powder or creatine you will be more than safe. If you are really worried your sport will have preferred suppliers/sponsors whose product you can use.

lukeyboy · Sep 22, 2009

cross contamination a lot of companies that make protein powder also make supplements that contain a banned substance [and there are a shit lot of them], which gives the risk of cross contamination. even having too much creatine in my system would get me banned.

lucozade batch test their products and are approved by UK Sport and the IOC, but, it has such little G of protein, like 12-13G per shake

tim290280 · Sep 22, 2009

^^

Creatine is on a banned list???

Just a physiological point: you can only store so much creatine in the body before it is saturated. So there isn't really a possibility of "too much" creatine in your system.

Next thing would be to say that very few companies that are selling straight proteins and creatines, such as Optimum Nutrition, make other substances that would be considered illegal under international sports rules. The same testing codes apply to most sports, regardless of IOC affiliation, as they come under WADA (I think that is the acronym). I can think of half a dozen supplement companies in Australia alone that have ties to tested sports, they couldn't afford the bad reputation. As long as they are a longer standing company with good allegiances to various tested sports there shouldn't be an issue.

But if you want to be paranoid you could try the tried and trusted student shake from Arnie's book. Basically get some skim milk powder, add it to milk, add an egg, some fruit, some cream, some icecream; blend, drink and get huge.

lukeyboy · Sep 22, 2009

creatine isnt banned, amounts are.

your body naturaly makes creatine, and its found in meat. if im tested and have an amount in my body that is deemed more than a natural production amount i fail.

the same with caffene, if i have too much of that i fail.

Big04pimpin · Sep 22, 2009

What the hell do you play? That is some strict testing. Do they test your blood or do they test your urine?

lukeyboy · Sep 22, 2009

all the sports on a whole have banned substances, then each individual sport has additional ones.

i shoot, so the majority of mine are beta-blockers, type stuff.

even viagra is banned.

tim290280 · Sep 22, 2009

^^ First of all, answer our questions. Which sport do you play? Under which testing federaton does it fall.

Second: I can't find and am unaware of any protein or creatine product being on a banned substances list as they are dietary products i.e. FOOD.

Third: educate yourself and read up on what protein and creatine actually do in the body. Caffeine I can see as an issue as they have upper limits, but you'd have to be taking it in tablet form or have an espresso IV.

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lukeyboy · Sep 23, 2009

lukeyboy said:
i shoot, so the majority of mine are beta-blockers, type stuff.

it falls under IOC ruling.

creatine isnt banned itself. an amount of creatine is banned. as i said the body naturally produces it, but if youre tested and have an amount that is deemed above the natural production, you fail.

i didnt say protein is banned.
the reason i dont/wont go to a shop and buy a product is that a lot of companies make supps that are banned, giving the risk of cross contamination, ie, going through the same production line without being thoroughly cleaned.

tim290280 · Sep 23, 2009

lukeyboy said:
it falls under IOC ruling.

creatine isnt banned itself. an amount of creatine is banned. as i said the body naturally produces it, but if youre tested and have an amount that is deemed above the natural production, you fail.

i didnt say protein is banned.
the reason i dont/wont go to a shop and buy a product is that a lot of companies make supps that are banned, giving the risk of cross contamination, ie, going through the same production line without being thoroughly cleaned.

I've done a couple of searches now and can only find articles saying that creatine is considered a food supplement by the IOC. There is no mention of any controls over it. http://www.echeat.com/essay.php?t=25504

Despite the fact I still think you are being overly paranoid (read up on creatine and understand how it works and also actually check the policies) I did actually give you a really easy option in my previous post.

Me said:
But if you want to be paranoid you could try the tried and trusted student shake from Arnie's book. Basically get some skim milk powder, add it to milk, add an egg, some fruit, some cream, some icecream; blend, drink and get huge.

Another point is that active constituent levels of contamination would have to be huge. Most of the banned substances would have to be present in large portions to return in positive tests. Using creatine as an example: the normal dosage of this is 3-5g/day so if you have a protein powder that is "contaminated" with a dose that would cause suspicion (lets say 10% of effective dose) you would have to have 500mg per 30g protein serve. So in a 1kg container you are talking 15-20g of contamination. This is a whopping 3-4 serves of creatine in a months supply of protein. One dose per week. Now an active constituent that has effective levels measured in mg then you are more likely to get to that level easily, but once again it is so unlikely as the quantities that would have to end up in any one container are still large. When you consider how big batches are and how they are mixed I just can't see the problem.

MrChewiebitums · Sep 23, 2009

If what your saying is all true
why dont you just quit this shite organisation you are with? sounds like they are full of shit tbh... especially with that creatine shit.

from what they are saying/telling you about supplements and its industry i`d say your part of a propaganda organisation.
So your telling me each company is also producing banned supplements?
whats so bad about being full of creatine?

it wasnt clear...... are you in skeet shooting?

lukeyboy · Sep 23, 2009

i cant just "quit" the internation olympic association.

skeet shooting is a discipline of shooting, i shoot Double Trap

Big04pimpin · Sep 23, 2009

ah, i see. When you let us know who is testing it helps us determine what you can/ can't do. Just an FYI, the reason 99% (there might be one case out there that I don't know) of the guys that test positive and blame it on contamination are lying. The amount you need to take for these products are large to fail a test. (see Tim's comments) As long as you buy protein from a large company also, this will help with any potential cross contamination. The smaller companies can't afford several different processing plants. BSN, Muscletech, etc are large and they use the same equipment for protein and not much more. Now there is a higher potential to have whey mixed with casein or egg protein but you shouldn't have to worry about failing a drug test from a simple protein shake.

With that said, if you are still fully paranoid, you can just drink eggs and milk. 6 raw eggs= 36grams

Anabolicus · Sep 23, 2009

tim290280 said:
Creatine is on a banned list???

From what I know creatine is banned in France. I remember reading from another board how Zidane had spoken about taking creatine and not knowing it was illegal there. Either way it's ridiculous.

tim290280 · Sep 23, 2009

I can guaruntee that creatine has been judged as a food supplement by the IOC and all affiliates (read every sporting body) since the late 1990's (1999).

Creatine is not illegal. The media just doesn't know the difference between a food supplement and a drug.

Achilles · Sep 26, 2009

All these regulations doesnt makes it easier for most athletes.

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