Only one person in this thread said Kai Greene was natural, but he was just saying so because his tests always came up negative. Everyone else just said exactly that, he competed in drug-tested shows.
Go have your "I know Kai Greene was on teh roids" debate somewhere else.
seriously i do beleive kai wasnt natural even though he competed drug tested shows. I cant say " HE WAS ON STEROIDS" because nobody knows for sure. But if its beleivable that jeff rodriguez is natural, why isnt it beleivable tat kai wasnt? we will never kno, im just saying its safe to ASSUME that he began taking steroids in open shows since we cant know for sure.
^^^ really i think we get your point. your opinion is kia wasnt natural. ok. you realize repeating your self a dozen times doesnt make it anymore true. if there is no way to know or find out then drop the issue.
besides you dont hear anyone arguing whether turk is natty or not and he competes at the same level as kia did at one point, where the testing is done the same way for the same products.
ive been a couple of turks shows where people around me made the same comments, that there is no way he is a natty. so what is the difference.
get over it and move on.
Actually i dont know if u get my point. i wasnt arguing if he was natural or not. im saying its safe to ASSUME that he was natural before he competed in the open. thats it. And i mentioned that if its beleivable that Jeff Rodriguez or David Turk, for that matter, are natural, why isnt it beleivable that Kai was natural? i was directing that comment at the people who were accusing kai of using steroids when they dont even really know, and i was adressing the comments made to my original post.
its hard to believe he was completely natural back then. but never underestimate genetics and willpower combined. a person with both those qualities can achieve things others can only dream off.
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.
He's basically saying if you come into a bodybuilding show looking the way you're supposed to look, you're juicing. That makes no sense what-so-ever and is nothing but an ignorant statement.
The only way to tell if someone is juicing is if you can see injection sites, you see them do it personally, or if it's just plain obvious (pretty much all bodybuilders in the IFBB).