dont listen to them jorn, just teach me how to count beats to mariah carey like only you can
This is gonna be long, but maybe we are actually getting somewhere this time :)
I don't see anything about me asking you a training/nutrition related questions (Ironslave was my to go to guy at that time anyway, so it makes little sense) and I see even less about a paper that you supposedly sent me. What I do see, is that you conform in your second post, that the conversation was about totally diffrent stuff. In contrast, note how my post in this and that topic are consistent, I wonder why?
However, for the first time, you actually do not play the the innocent victem and actually admit a personal flaw, this could get us somewhere!
There was a time that I was one of the good bro's. The constructive bro's. I encouraged people in in their logs, I tried to asnwer questions as good as possible etc.
Then Rocky and I started a 'rap dis battle' in the misc (can you imagine with my english :roflol) Anyway, I always hammerd on how gay this and that was of Rocky (this was all in good fun, remeber I was one of the 'inner circle bro's). So, then one day, rocky gave advice in a training/nutrition topic, and I replied with 'gay'. He responed, and I responed again with 'disagree with me = gay'. That's how it became a trademark line. As my knowledge grew (I sucked up everything Ironslave had to say like a sponge and I became second only to him) I started gaving GOOD advice, but people wouldn't listen to it. Inertia is very strong on internet, and especially among bodybuilders. Anyway, I got somewhat frustrated with that, and started to make less informative posts. Why bother when people won't listen anyway right? I still posted 'disagree with me = gay' however. And newer member didn't get the joke, didn't see anything constructive from me and thought I was just a hater or something. In this way I slowly changed from good bro, to not so good bro. That didn't really bothered me though, because as my knowledge grew, it grew harder for me to encourgage my previous bro's in their logs etc, because they where doing stupid shit (note that I learned everything I could at that time, and couldn't really understand why others didn't do the same). Anyway, as time went on, things got worse, I started flaming my previous bro's for fun etc.
Then things got really bad when you opened that topic. You can find me a jackass all you want (because I surely am on the internet), but my knowlegde is solid. You did not prove me wrong many times. I am WAY out of your league, even back then. (note that in that topic I had no trouble to acknowledge the fact you knew more about anatomy than me. Also note that I worshiped Ironslave, which proves that learning more was all I cared about, not looking good on the internet. I really doubt that about you. I really do)
You just posted this in the soreness topic:
Just don't pretend that you know knew or know more than me, proved me many times wrong etc.
My only comment is this:
Is not a good business move. If you plan to be a sports nutritionist then you need to get your name out there, and the internet is a great way to do it. Ever hear of Layne Norton?Quote
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^ that is just plain rude
what is all this i hear about jorn dancing.... where can i see this?
... Wait im starting to remember a video of someone dancine while not facing the camera while being in different locations... was that him?
"Yeah I grunt when I get my swole at the gym. So everyone can see how jacked and tan I am." -Brucie Kibbutz
At the time I really should have pulled the MSN log to show just how abusive and annoying you were. Interesting point, I stopped using MSN because of you.
Never said it as an excuse, I said that looking back I handled things in a manner I would not normally have done. I put that down to the stress I was under at the time. And I don't think you can compare your stress to my stress, that is both impertinent and insulting. As I haven't used it as an excuse your admonishment is pointless.Quote
You on the other hand are playing the pious and rightious persona you have always done.Quote
Strange your memory seems to differ from mine. I remember you starting e-fights with people on BBD and stalking people from thread to thread, even being banned several times for it. I even remember you bragging about having "pwned" people in discussions:Quote
At this stage you and I were still friendly, but you were not universally liked. You had shown your true colours to others. I can remember several discussions both on BBD and MM which were basically about banning you for good for being annoying. The people who stuck up for you were IS and myself (I can't remember any others doing so, not to say there weren't any others) because you were actually posting information. When the information posting stopped was when you became nothing more than abusive.Originally Posted by JornT PM on BBD 2006
Strange, I could post another PM dating from after the one above that showed we often shared resources and you often asked questions of me. Your question was about what I thought of the information on a particular website. Clearly I must be mistaken that you valued my opinion and knowledge "even back then".Quote
I made it personal? You flamed me on MSN.Quote
And clearly I have such a concern for my e-status that I'm not moving this thread, I'm being open and honest about things, not stalking anyone from thread to thread abusing them every chance I get (or is that take as you do only seem to drop by occassionally), I'm not starting up troll accounts, I'm even so enamoured of my e-status that I didn't post here for 9-10 months.
I have defended you for as much. But this is you claiming to be perfect. If you want to hear that you are perfect and know everything then start sharing some of this knowledge. Anyone can claim to know stuff, backing it up is what you continually fail to do. In the past you have posted info, but that is a thing of the past and your attacks/claims are now rather empty. Even with your troll account, with which you claimed to have an MSc (which I pointed out immediately was unlikely, as you don't post like a real scientist), you didn't back up information, in fact you used the evidence I'd presented in minuta to essentially argue for argument's sake.Quote
Is this like you having an MSc?Quote
I don't particularly care if you don't share information, because I don't particularly care for you. If you never posted again I would barely notice. You're wealth of information is questionable as if it was true then you would either not be bothered with posting or you would want to correct people with your information. If it is just a personal vendetta you have against me (and others) then why did you start doing this long before your issue with me? The answer is simple; you are a jerk and need to make yourself feel good by annoying others (you have said as much yourself). It gives you a sense of superiority that makes your pathetic life meaningful. Why else such an intermittent state of affairs? For myself I could take or leave any of this (as I have done in the past before being asked back), it won't affect my lifting or other hobbies (if anything it would be good), I don't receive gratification from posting here, and don't need to, my sense of self worth is more tied to achievements and challenges I have set for myself. Is my knowledge of lifting in question? Well considering I'm willing to learn and openness of my limitations (as displayed in the post you were so critical of in the "Soreness" thread) I wouldn't have thought so. Your issue can't be with that really.
The thing is Jorn, this isn't about your loathing for me, this is about you. You alienated everyone (well I can't speak for IS or some others) and having me no longer on your side, no longer "your bro" is what the problem is. If you want me to appologise then you have to realise that you were as much, and most likely more, at fault. Personally I wouldn't be that forgiving as all I did was have you show your true colours to me, as even you would admit to having attacked just about everyone.
Don't expect any replies from me to any of your posts in the future.
I hope there are some critical readers here, because nothing you said denies/proved anything I said wrong.
Second of all, strong strawman argument again. Did I ask you to tell me I'm perfect? No. I asked you to admit your claim that you knew more than me was wrong. It is funny because I also talked to IS yesterday and said that I probably know alot more about nutrition/training, while he lilely has 3 times my general medical knowlegde. Saying that someone else has 3 times his general medical knowledge is something who claims to be perfect would say right? But we already figured out that was a strawman argument anyway. Also note that IS agreed, so I have someone who knows ALOT more than you about nutrition/training saying that I know more about that subject...what does that tell you?
wtf is going on here?... im starting to get scared...
There's only a way to solve this: A Dance battle!
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It's not an "insult" by any means to say that exercise science is a hobby of Tim's, he's said so himself, and it's a compliment that his knowledge is great in the area despite it not being his area of training, or his career occupation. Not everybody wants to be a nutritionist/physiologist, and that doesn't make him an armchair scientist by any means. The brightest guy I know personally in physiology is an Arts major.
Quit being such a douche Jorn, and don't drag me into this.
Post the actual conversation ;)
But I'll keep you out of this, whatever 'this' is. Because Tim will not reply anymore anyway. He has better things to do (like learning what inflammation is)