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Creation of a Superhuman?

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I have just finished watching Bigger Stronger faster and have learnt about the presence of performance enhancers for other areas of life.. notably Adderall for the academics
(for those who dont know, in extremely simple terms it helps you maintain focus etc.. and can basically make you a genius in school, you still gotta study though)

Now i am someone who (once you look past my procrastination) must have everything, i must have more then you, and it must be better than yours in every inconcievable way and if its not like that i tend to feel as if i`m of a lesser quality. SO with me being like this many ideas of shot through my mind. but
With all the performance enhancing substances out there... wouldnt it be possible for us to become superhuman when compared to regular "natural" people. Basically the creation of a supersoldier

Increased strength, mental focus, less anxiety etc...
Perform better in the gym, in the classroom, when under pressure, in the bed(viagra)... you name it

WHat are your opinions?

All these things are definitely tempting me to basically crush everyone else in everything, and after seeing this documentary i can definitely it will be on my mind... but right now i`m only 19 soo... i`m not at a point in my life that would require or even that would benefit from such high levels of performance
 
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You won't be the best in everything no matter how hard you try or how many drugs you take. There are more than 6 billion (american billions) people on this planet boy, so better change your mindset or you will feel inferior and miserable for your whole life.

Happy new year.
 
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its not a plan its just.. hey could we? could we drastically increase every aspect of our life in terms of performance?
dont turn it into a counseling session please, its a scientific and possibly ethical question. i threw that shit about me to embelish the post a tiny bit more

obviously you cant be the best at everything (well, no one has tried using performance enhancers) especially at things that simply require skill like say drawing a picture

so i`ll ask again. do you think we could turn a regular person into someone who can perform a thousand times better
 
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If you take one random guy with no natural abilities and fill him with "enhancers" (supposing they have no drawbacks) he'll sure perform better, that doesn't mean he'll perform better than other people without using "helpers". Give the average joe a ton of anabolics and i doubt he'd be a better bodybuilder than a natural ronnie coleman. Give a mediocre physicist focusing drugs and he won't be a Richard Faynman.
 
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i`m not talking about creating a person who surpasses albert einstein in physics, ronnie in bodybuilding and bolt in speed. I`m comparing an average joe who does his best... against an average joe who does his best and adds performance enhancers to the list, basically just in a regular society.
whose to say he doesnt have his own strengths? Whose to say that if he was in Faynman`s position he wouldnt manage to deduce what Faynman did?
i mean the cases you have mentioned are with things that have nothing to do with performance but more with luck that they were born with those traits.
If faynman didnt deduce what he did.. i`m sure someone else would have eventually thought of it. Perhaps hes just lucky enough to have stumbled on what he did first. Whose to say that the next 10 babies born wont have coleman genetics?
 
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Pipe dream

a) It would have already happened. Super-soldier programs have been in existence for decades and they have come up with nothing better than the boot camp weeding out of special forces (which picks the best of the best).

b) Side effects.

c) There is no substitute for intelligence and hard work.
 
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Pipe dream

a) It would have already happened. Super-soldier programs have been in existence for decades and they have come up with nothing better than the boot camp weeding out of special forces (which picks the best of the best).

b) Side effects.

c) There is no substitute for intelligence and hard work.

a) so your saying super soldier programs that utilise drugs such as AAS and stimulants that are the only ones that can really make a diff are in existance? Or are you talking about stuff like indoctrination and super hard regimes without the presence of ASS/stimulants, which tbh isnt really a super soldier program just how any serious soldier who wants to do his job as good as possible should do

b)yes

c) how stupid.. i mean your bringing in the same arguement someone who knows fuck all about steroids would say. like AAS are just a easy way out. You know that serious athletes on performance enhancers train just as hard/harder while on juice.
I know you know that ignorant people are this ways so why did you say it?
 
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a) so your saying super soldier programs that utilise drugs such as AAS and stimulants that are the only ones that can really make a diff are in existance? Or are you talking about stuff like indoctrination and super hard regimes without the presence of ASS/stimulants, which tbh isnt really a super soldier program just how any serious soldier who wants to do his job as good as possible should do
Considering you call me stupid later in your post I find this entire paragraph hilarious :rofl3:

I am saying very simply that there have been programs in place to develop the best soldiers (and other things if you believe the conspiracy theories). So far those programs have developed nothing that you can't get from selecting the best recruits.

Not yes, it is far more serious than that. You talk about a super soldier that is relying on balancing chemicals under stress situations. Combat isn't a few hours of stress, it can be non-stop for months or years. You can't have soldiers on stimulants all of that time, nor will the desired effects last. In BSF they mentioned amphetamines and the like that they use on soldiers, they didn't mention the burn-out and problems it causes, nor did they cover how they actually use the drugs.

The side effects essentially rule out any chance of long term effective use of drugs in a super soldier program.

c) how stupid.. i mean your bringing in the same arguement someone who knows fuck all about steroids would say. like AAS are just a easy way out. You know that serious athletes on performance enhancers train just as hard/harder while on juice.
I know you know that ignorant people are this ways so why did you say it?
Stupid?? :doh:

I will say it again more slowly with more words. You take the smartest, most talented people who are willing to work hard, those people will be the ones you want to dose up or do specialised training with. You don't want the average Joe and to try and create a super soldier. Add this to my previous couple of points and you will kindly see that super soldier programs would have already turned up something other than the current special forces recruiting strategy.
 
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hitler try this,the comunist of ex urss try this...the truth is that you can use thousand of drugs and train yourself very hard,but only the evolution and the nature can make a superhuman...the only things that the science can create are some freaky monster with a very short life.
 

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hitler try this,the comunist of ex urss try this...the truth is that you can use thousand of drugs and train yourself very hard,but only the evolution and the nature can make a superhuman...the only things that the science can create are some freaky monster with a very short life.

Um no.

Since cracking the human genome there are a realm of possibilities that have opened up. Gene doping has been spoken about already as something athletes are likely to be using in the next 10yrs. Another avenue to create an elite soldier/athlete is some of the body armour and combat skins being proposed and developed (think of the scene out of Batman Begins talking about lightweight body armour being too expensive, that isn't really out of the realms of possibility now), let alone what is around the corner in terms of mobility and armaments.
 
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I dont know what you guys are arguing, it is entirely possible and within the boundaries of reality that a superhuman elite crew exists already.

Countries spend millions concealing what technologies they have, so I wouldnt be surprised if its already available. They would release the supersoldiers only in the most important times and under very tight control.

Just imagine a 100 soldiers that are given a cocktail of testosterone and vitamin pills, you have yourself one fucking strong group of supersoldiers.
 
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I dont know what you guys are arguing, it is entirely possible and within the boundaries of reality that a superhuman elite crew exists already.

Countries spend millions concealing what technologies they have, so I wouldnt be surprised if its already available. They would release the supersoldiers only in the most important times and under very tight control.

Just imagine a 100 soldiers that are given a cocktail of testosterone and vitamin pills, you have yourself one fucking strong group of supersoldiers.

I think you have missed what I was pointing out.

I agree that it is possible a super soldier program has been successful, however, very unlikely. The chance that an elite group of soldiers is out there without anyones knowledge is just a bit far fetched. In this day and age it is too hard to cover up that sort of thing (well unless they never actually do anything with their super soldiers which defeats the purpose).

What I disagree with is the idea that it was brought about by "testosterone and vitamin pills". Breeding, genetic manipulation, brain washing, messing with physiology (such as gene doping), are all much more likely to yield usable results. Steroids would be useful, and are undoubtably used by soldiers now, just they won't be the backbone of a super soldier program because you still wouldn't be achieving anything better than what is already happening. Other drugs like amphetamines would also be usable, but not long term, so once again not helpful.
 
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I think you have missed what I was pointing out.

I agree that it is possible a super soldier program has been successful, however, very unlikely. The chance that an elite group of soldiers is out there without anyones knowledge is just a bit far fetched. In this day and age it is too hard to cover up that sort of thing (well unless they never actually do anything with their super soldiers which defeats the purpose).

What I disagree with is the idea that it was brought about by "testosterone and vitamin pills". Breeding, genetic manipulation, brain washing, messing with physiology (such as gene doping), are all much more likely to yield usable results. Steroids would be useful, and are undoubtably used by soldiers now, just they won't be the backbone of a super soldier program because you still wouldn't be achieving anything better than what is already happening. Other drugs like amphetamines would also be usable, but not long term, so once again not helpful.

Oh God Tim, I like you too much to keep trolling you. I thought "testosterone a vitamin pills" was obvious enough haha.

Being serious now, what I do believe is that somewhere military scientists are playing with the idea, if not already testing it in some people through non-military organizations linked secretly.
 
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Oh God Tim, I like you too much to keep trolling you. I thought "testosterone a vitamin pills" was obvious enough haha.

Being serious now, what I do believe is that somewhere military scientists are playing with the idea, if not already testing it in some people through non-military organizations linked secretly.

I keep forgetting that you do that :rofl3:
 
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It is not as simple as pumping a soldier full of AAS and stimulants. AAS can have a tensing effect on the muscles which is a huge problem for combat situations, since in order to fight you first have to relax the muscles then tense them. So being pre-tensed is not useful.

The best soldiers, fighters and athletes on the planet are those who have a very calm focus. The ability to let trained reflexes such as quick aiming, instinctive blocking and so on are what make a great athlete, soldier or fighter.

Training and natural talent are the keys here. While drugs may help with these things, genetic enhancements would be the only real way to make a super-human. This is I guess within the realm of possibility now, though I don't think we are going to see Captain America running around anytime soon.

Tim brings up an excellent point. A modern supersoldier is much more likely to be created by giving an exceptional soldier advanced integrated technology systems. New materials are being developed that mimic human muscle and could contract at the same time yours do, drastically increasing your strength and endurance. Heads-up displays would allow much more effective communication between squads of soldiers or locating enemies.

In short, the super-soldier is a current possibility, but x-men levels of powers are a long way off.

Tim, it is easy to shrug off conspiracy theories, but organizations like the CIA have a proven track record of pulling incredibly unethical and amoral stunts with no oversight or even knowledge of it until years later.
 
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