TDK.... Guys what can be said about a person, TDK, who has to continually give attention to a persons past as if to attempt to take value away from the person in the present time? Bodybuilding fans seem to be largely indifferent or ignorant of Kai Greene's past.
As a fan I fully acknowledge and accept the fact that Kai did do the type of work he chose to do to supplement his income. I could care less how he chose to supplement his income b/c it it HIS income and as far as i know he never caused harm to anyone by doing so. I also acknowledge and accept the fact that he will go down in the bodybuilding history book for all the titles he has won. It is obvious that TDK has some problem with Kai b/c he tries to take value away from Kai every chance he is allowed.
Personally you could remind me of what ever you wanted to remind me of every chance you got, but it does not take away from any of the titles Kai has won, or the fact that he beat Victor, branch, Phil and a lot of other top names this year either.
I would like to hear the purpose of bring up anyones past to be used as a tool to take away from that persons current value? Not only does TDK bring up Kai's past but TDK makes these attempts most commonly when good news is being spread about Kai. TDK, are you simple enough to be not like someone because they do not have the same morals as you do?
I am curious are you homophobic, racist, mad b/c Kai does not share the same morals as you and is successful or do you have some other reason for always bringing up old news? Why should I care about Kai's choice to make money? Why does that matter? I need those questions answered before I can entertain the idea of giving your thoughts any value what so ever. I am all ears, and I would love to hear your reasons for your posts about Kai.
tkd isnt a racist. From his critiques im pretty sure he just doesn't like kais physique, stomach distention and his poor presentation in some of his posing i.e leg spread overhead and poor execution of front double bis. He brings up kais past in a way to mock team kai because tkd thinks kai is overated.
The grapefruit will hit the fan for tkd,tim123234324 and others when kai wins the O this year. lol
I dont care what kai did/does. I like what he has done in terms of bodybuilding and i hope to see him do better. That being said, he may not win the olympia but he is still an awesome competitor and i hope he does win the olympia.
As for what others have achieved; how is that relevant? People here may not have achieved an admirable list of BBing titles, but who is to say they have been any less successful in their field of choice. Remind me again how many degrees Kai has, how much property he owns, how long he's been married, how many kids he has raised, etc, etc.
We are a who we are as a result of our past. It also shows alot about the sorts of decisions we make, especially when under pressure.Originally Posted by BigBen
Kai had many options for supplemental income. His choice is not a private matter as he sold himself to the media industry, as any modelling shoot does. People can judge the folly of this, or the standing that places him in now.Quote
Agreed. He won those titles, beat those people. But has he tarnished his marketability to the mainstream; those who are like vultures for "shady" pasts.Quote
Kai's past does take away from his current standing. When push came to shove he went G4P. When I was broke I had already made provisions through careful savings and was able to pick up some unpaid work that kept a roof over my head and food on the table. Some people become labourers, some people strip naked on the internet, which choice you make says a lot about who you are. His choice is also something that affects his marketability as a pro-BBer. Clearly though Weider no longer thinks this.Quote
I know this isn't a question for me, but I don't care about race, culture, creed or orientation. What does concern me is that Kai is currently ashamed of his past, he did G4P whilst stating he is hetero, his morals are clearly (possibly) in line with the discussion here.Quote
^^ I agree that morality is an individual thing and that it does shape the way we view others actions. But by that very notion you are saying that either:
a) Kai shouldn't be ashamed because of what he did (like Arnie wasn't ashamed to have posed for gay stick mags) and we shouldn't be shocked by it either.
b) The morality of our majority (i.e. the mainstream) is wrong.
The problem with point A is that Kai's performance is infamous. Clearly people do think that what he did was out there. If it were just another nude shoot people would have dismissed it like they have dismissed JoJ's shoot for the same site.
Also I'd just like to point out that G4P is inherrant in the kind of posing and videos Kai did for a gay muscle fetish site. He isn't modelling (nude or otherwise) in the traditional sense, he is performing. As a result the material was never aimed at a mixed audience. Now if he had just posed nude or scantily clad (sorry but is that the right terminology for male erotica?) for a gay site or for a photographer that sold those pics/videos on then we would have a completely different situation.
It's ok, I can't have respect for him and and the other ones who choose G4P to make money instead of a normal job or some education, like other GREAT champs did, BigEbn.
anyway Pickle and Tim said it better in the later posts, things like his posing, physique..etc etc, that I don't like about Kai.
Interesting How these moral arguments come up mostly with Kai threads but good news for Kai I suppose. I'm happy for him