But you are ignoring the lack of development Wolf has at his lat origins. He instead has good development directly under his scaps, which is primarily his teres major and infraspinatus. Origins not reaching the illium crest is not uncommon, but it doesn't mean that it isn't still originating from the thoracolumbar fascia (in fact your pics suggest it is). Also given that anatomy, the lats are a primary lumbar and dorsal spine stabiliser (and can have a role in extension and lateral flexion), so they would in fact benefit from deadlifts.
Also yes I messed up and used insertion when I meant origin in my original post. I keep making that mistake.
I was not even saying that the lat origins not reaching the illium are not uncommon.
Lats always originate from the thoracolumbar fascia. If they wouldn't, they would be flapping freely in the air :P
The fact that Wolf does not have a lat origin from the illium means that he has a wider thoracolumbar fascia (not uncommon either).
Latissumus dorsi isn't a primary lumbar/dorsal stabiliser. I don't know where do you get that information. The current knowledge is that small muscles like rotator mucles are multifidus muscles the primary stabilisers of the spine. In fact the largest muscle mass on the lumbar spine area is from the multifidus muscle.
I was saying that no amount of deadlifts are going to change the origins of his lats.
Yes, I was merely stating the anatomy of the lats in order to show that he can still have improved lat development, possibly with the addition of deadlifts.Quote
Primary probably is the wrong term. Basically all the back muscles have a key role in spine stabilisation. This study looked at 12 muscles: rectus abdominus, external oblique, internal oblique, latissimus dorsi, iliocostalis lumborum, longissimus thoracis, lumbar erector spinae (+ 5 others, I can't see the full list without logging into the database at work).Quote
The point being that the lats are an important spinal stabliser and as such will be improved by deadlifts. Regardless of his lack of illium origin he still has crap lat development and needs to fix this.Quote
Agreed, but there are plenty of BBers with better lat development than Wolf who also don't have lat origins like Kai.Quote
So I get your point that his genetics for a freaky back are crap. But that was not my argument. My argument was that he hasn't really developed his back effectively. My introduction of anatomy was to show to people that what they think of as lats is often inaccurate.
While deadlifting, I find that consciously contracting my lats throughout the motion gives me an easier time preventing the bar from drifting forwards and thereby resulting in unfavorable leverage for deadlifting. I have no sources for this, but I can speculate as to how deadlifting 600 lbs for reps could contribute to superior lat development.
I'm sure oldez was just taking issue with the supposed link made between the anatomy points and deadlifting. This was a point I clarified above.
One recommendation for Dennis Wolf. If you know everything and if you did your own nutrition and prepartion in what It was your best ever 2007, try to buy a T Bar for home and do thousands of T Bar and Deadlifts and hyperextension to correct your big big problem that is your unexisten loweback. Another point is why haven't you trained your calves properly, properly that is clearly seen that they've lost a lot of size, try synthol, try sport injections or man go surgery.
He was acting like wolfs genetics have doomed wolf to a average back and dead lifting would not be able to improve his back development to any beneficial level bc of his genetics. I agree with Tim, that deadlifts will benefit Wolf, even if he does not have genetics as good as Kai or Phil. Wolf can still put more size and thickness onto his back, dead lift is a very effective way to do this.
Replace the word 'genetics' in the first sentence of my original post with the word 'physique' and that is what i meant to type.