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    Hmm. i'll check them out right now, thanks KM.





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    Alrighty, checked out hyrdostatic, dont have that around here.

    also, are the scales with body fat weight any good?




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    Any time bud.

    They give you a ball park answer. A response that gives you a generalization of where you're at. Usually 2-3% off, which is larger than you would think. But it's up to you. Calipers are effective, just ask someone at your gym the pinch locations because I'm not familiar with them right now.


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    Bodyfat measures are not that accurate, there was a paper that compared them. The most accurate was used as a baseline and there was a range of 5% for different techniques.

    From memory the list was (most to least):
    Cadaver dissection
    Hydrostatic
    BodPod
    (something else)
    3 site caliper
    7 site caliper
    Electric scales
    Hand electric

    From memory of course. So calipers are the cheapest and best available, but they have to be used by experienced technicians. Having said that some of the online calculators that take tape measure and weight indexes are just as accurate.


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    hmm i'll try cadaver dissection




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    Quote Originally Posted by tim290280 View Post
    Bodyfat measures are not that accurate, there was a paper that compared them. The most accurate was used as a baseline and there was a range of 5% for different techniques.

    From memory the list was (most to least):
    Cadaver dissection
    Hydrostatic
    BodPod
    (something else)
    3 site caliper
    7 site caliper
    Electric scales
    Hand electric

    From memory of course. So calipers are the cheapest and best available, but they have to be used by experienced technicians. Having said that some of the online calculators that take tape measure and weight indexes are just as accurate.

    well i'll learn to use it myself, i don't like other people around me and stuff.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypocrisy86 View Post
    hmm i'll try cadaver dissection





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    the gym near me is going to be closed 17th thru 21nd...
    but theres one like 9miles from here...
    meh..




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    im going to quit the routine
    its not playing out so well.
    but im going to include the deads and squats much.
    and keep some of the things ive learned from it in my
    new FB routine




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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypocrisy86 View Post
    im going to quit the routine
    its not playing out so well.
    but im going to include the deads and squats much.
    and keep some of the things ive learned from it in my
    new FB routine
    How does your new FB routine looks like?


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    Quote Originally Posted by philosopher View Post
    How does your new FB routine looks like?

    It varies

    usually two different exercises per body part
    im not going to do calves or hamstrings since they get worked
    pretty well at work.
    and keep my sets within 3-4 sets, but for deads, squats 5 sets
    im going to experiment and see how this works out for me.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypocrisy86 View Post
    It varies

    usually two different exercises per body part
    im not going to do calves or hamstrings since they get worked
    pretty well at work.
    and keep my sets within 3-4 sets, but for deads, squats 5 sets
    im going to experiment and see how this works out for me.
    Just curious but why do you think the 5x5 routine didnt work for you.




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    Quote Originally Posted by philosopher View Post
    Just curious but why do you think the 5x5 routine didnt work for you.
    If anything it's probably under-eating rather than CNS taxing. That's usually the problem I see, not just in others, but myself as well.




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    I usually see that people try to use their 5RM for 5 sets or do the other version where they only do three sets of 5 at their 5RM. That or they decide to do every exercise (usually too many exercises) for 5x5. Either way too much intensity to recover from.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KM View Post
    If anything it's probably under-eating rather than CNS taxing. That's usually the problem I see, not just in others, but myself as well.
    But why do you think an other FB program would fix this because imo that doesnt make any sense. If programmed right 5x5 is manageable even when your undereating.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tim290280 View Post
    I usually see that people try to use their 5RM for 5 sets or do the other version where they only do three sets of 5 at their 5RM. That or they decide to do every exercise (usually too many exercises) for 5x5. Either way too much intensity to recover from.
    True, when doing 5x5 you should do it by the book. There are roughly 3 different 5x5 routines on the net which are all based on the original idea of Bill Starr. All other, own variations are mostly over designed and contain too many exercises.




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    Quote Originally Posted by philosopher View Post
    But why do you think an other FB program would fix this because imo that doesnt make any sense. If programmed right 5x5 is manageable even when your undereating.
    I wasn't arguing with you, 'nor did I say a FB routine is better. 5x5 routine when done properly is fine. But if you think you can stay prone to CNS drain when under-eating on a high myofibril stressed routine, that's tough. Some do not adrenally fatigue, but others do even when eating 5-6kcal/day.

    He's tried and physically stressed. So what do you think the answer is? I said it was a combination of under-eating and less caloric supply and un-managed version of the routine.






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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KM View Post
    I wasn't arguing with you, 'nor did I say a FB routine is better. 5x5 routine when done properly is fine. But if you think you can stay prone to CNS drain when under-eating on a high myofibril stressed routine, that's tough. Some do not adrenally fatigue, but others do even when eating 5-6kcal/day.

    He's tried and physically stressed. So what do you think the answer is? I said it was a combination of under-eating and less caloric supply and un-managed version of the routine.

    haha sorry bro, I thought I made a reply to Hypo but now I realize it was yours. Thats why I said the thing about the FB routine.
    Your totally right here, undereating alone in combination with 5x5 is gonna be hard, so imagine what happens to his body with the work he does.

    I think I lost my mind...:linedrunk:






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