a few questions

ironheart · Aug 25, 2008

hi fellas

it's only alittle more than a week now until i'm moving to the US and i have a few questions.

first off, havoc. after all the havoc hype i've dicided i'll have to try a cycle. what i'm asking is what would you recommend for PCT. would this be a good choice? http://www.tsnnutrition.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4747

also should i use any kind of anti-estrogen during the cycle?

second. for those of you who order your supps online. what site do you order from? right now it's between bodybuilding.com or tsnnutrition for me but if you have other sites you recommend please tell me about them.

thanks for all answers :tiphat:

Big04pimpin · Aug 25, 2008

For PCT, its up to you. I know plenty of places to get the real deal and its not that hard to obtain. However, Dave Palumbo has stated that OTC and Rx Drugs work about the same so that could change someone's mind.
Using a AI during havoc isn't needed. Specially if you keep it below 40mgs a day.

I use bodybuilding.com for most of my needs because its in Florida and sometimes doesn't even take 24 hours to get to my door and prices seem most of the time fair.

Workingatit46 · Aug 26, 2008

ironheart said:
hi fellas

it's only alittle more than a week now until i'm moving to the US and i have a few questions.

first off, havoc. after all the havoc hype i've dicided i'll have to try a cycle. what i'm asking is what would you recommend for PCT. would this be a good choice? http://www.tsnnutrition.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4747

also should i use any kind of anti-estrogen during the cycle?

second. for those of you who order your supps online. what site do you order from? right now it's between bodybuilding.com or tsnnutrition for me but if you have other sites you recommend please tell me about them.

thanks for all answers

That would not be a good pct product as it contains a steriod 10mg of Epi/havoc. For a Havoc I would run Post Cycle Support or Stoked and run AI starting on week 3 of pct and taper down the dose.

Post Cycle Support

6 oxo

DriDDeRz · Aug 26, 2008

Hopefuly Ironslave will post in this thread, Big vic had the same question about what PCT to use after havoc, and ironslave assited him with a better PCT product,
give him a PM and ask or send a PM to Vic.

Lucky bastard you are moving to the US :tear:

i wanna live their aswel :tear:

www.tsnnutrition.com
www.nutraplanet.com
www.1fast400.com
www.bodybuilding.com

Bodybuilding.com will also price match aswel :tiphat:

Workingatit46 · Aug 26, 2008

DriDDeRz said:
Hopefuly Ironslave will post in this thread, Big vic had the same question about what PCT to use after havoc, and ironslave assited him with a better PCT product,
give him a PM and ask or send a PM to Vic.

Lucky bastard you are moving to the US i wanna live their aswel

www.tsnnutrition.com
www.nutraplanet.com
www.1fast400.com
www.bodybuilding.com

Bodybuilding.com will also price match aswel

A good pct for Havoc is Post Cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m. then start 6 oxo in week 3 of pct and taper the dose down. If at all possible have a SERM on hand. I will also give you a link to check out for pct.

Post Cycle Support

6 oxo

www.otcpct.com

Griffstrong · Aug 27, 2008

Having talked with a couple people who have been in the business a long time and broken down the Havoc compound you are good to take a quality over the counter PCT like 6oxo. And as far as websites go for ordering......bodybuilding.com baby! Cant be beaten IMO. Good luck my friend.

ironheart · Aug 27, 2008

thanks for all the helpfull comments guys :tiphat:

Workingatit46 · Aug 27, 2008

Griffstrong said:
Having talked with a couple people who have been in the business a long time and broken down the Havoc compound you are good to take a quality over the counter PCT like 6oxo. And as far as websites go for ordering......bodybuilding.com baby! Cant be beaten IMO. Good luck my friend.

6 oxo on it's own is not enough for Havoc. Havoc is a 17a methylated steriod and will cause shutdown. :xyxthumbs:

Griffstrong · Aug 27, 2008

Workingatit........I have seen where you have recommended Stoked for a PCT in previous threads is that correct? What do you think of this product?

Hypocrisy86 · Aug 27, 2008

Ive been on my PCT of Stoked for a week and a day or two as of now.
i see strength gains are kept. and my dryness as well.
and a helluva confidence booost!

MuscleMecca Crew

Griffstrong · Aug 27, 2008

^ Thanks hypo I appreciate the response and thats awesome you are keeping your strength gains. I am trying to try and get a legit reason as to why the TSN nutrition rep would think that a PCT like Stoked is THAT much better than a product 6oxo? Not that Stoked isnt a great post cycle(from what i've heard) but I dont see where there would be a big difference between the two. And the fact that its a 17a methylated "designer" steroid has nothing to do with which post cycle to use. All that means is that the compound is broken down through liver enzymes to get obsorbed. Ive taken a 17a methylated product before in Oxodrol-12(used 6oxo extremem for PCT) and nobody that has ever been on it has said that i need to find some clomid, nolva, or even use something like Stoked. If I am missing something or have something twisted here please help me out.

Workingatit46 · Aug 28, 2008

Griffstrong said:
Workingatit........I have seen where you have recommended Stoked for a PCT in previous threads is that correct? What do you think of this product?

Stoked contains Trans-resveratrol which is a SERM like substance. It will help boost test and reduce estrogen it is also a great antioxidant. I will leave you a link on it. I would also run the 6 oxo but start that in week3 of pct and taper the dose down.

Benefits of Trans-Resveratrol

http://www.otcpct.com

Griffstrong · Aug 28, 2008

Yeah I just read that same link that you posted before. I had read that before but didnt realize it made such a difference. Sounds like it would be more effective. Thanks I appreciate the info buddy.

Workingatit46 · Aug 29, 2008

Griffstrong said:
Yeah I just read that same link that you posted before. I had read that before but didnt realize it made such a difference. Sounds like it would be more effective. Thanks I appreciate the info buddy.

Any time bro :xyxthumbs:

a few questions

ironheart

Mecca V.I.P.

Big04pimpin

Mecca V.I.P.

Workingatit46

Well-known member

DriDDeRz

Mecca V.I.P.

Workingatit46

Well-known member

Griffstrong

Well-known member

ironheart

Mecca V.I.P.

Workingatit46

Well-known member

Griffstrong

Well-known member

Hypocrisy86

Mecca V.I.P.

MuscleMecca Crew

Mecca Staff

Griffstrong

Well-known member

Workingatit46

Well-known member

Griffstrong

Well-known member

Workingatit46

Well-known member

Similar threads