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Wanted to get opinions from OGs on this, always run insulin off season never really needed much as I get big fast buuuuut prep is coming and after a few years off stage I’m in the Supers and EVERYONE is running insulin, just wanted to hear thoughts, opinions, etc.
 
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If you look at bodybuilding over the past decade, the one greatest fact is that bodybuilders are getting bigger faster. Mostly due to the use of one of the greatest anabolic produced by the body. Insulin. With slim you can easily add 20 lbds to your frame in one season.
With proper use in conjunction with aas and hgh you can quickly break a weight gain plateau. However, insulin does not come without risk. If you do not use it properly and monitor blood sugar levels it WILL KILL YOU! Plane and simple. Anyone that is going to even consider the use of insulin should research the hell out of it and plan, plan, plan.


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Imo insulin use during prep if you get big East isn’t necessary and if you take GH and the sugar you have to take with insulin anyway I’m not sure you need it. I’m pretty fucking big and haven’t played with slin since I broke 250 and I’m bigger than a lot of guys who are using it. I dunno I’d like to hear the whys for guys who are already big easy gainers for slin after you are big already. GH yes I love GH but it won’t make me fat or kill me. If you’re making a run at a card I could see that too but I tossed my slin pen in 2018 and put on another 30 lbs and I’m over 40.
 
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If you look at bodybuilding over the past decade, the one greatest fact is that bodybuilders are getting bigger faster. Mostly due to the use of one of the greatest anabolic produced by the body. Insulin. With slim you can easily add 20 lbds to your frame in one season.
With proper use in conjunction with aas and hgh you can quickly break a weight gain plateau. However, insulin does not come without risk. If you do not use it properly and monitor blood sugar levels it WILL KILL YOU! Plane and simple. Anyone that is going to even consider the use of insulin should research the hell out of it and plan, plan, plan.


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How did you exactly use it?

I will typically use 5 - 10iu of “R” before each meal depending on the level of carbs in the meal. R generally has an on set of about 30 minutes and a duration of 8 hours. I check my BG frequently and I always carry glucose tabs just in case. Definitely not something you want to do without the proper research and planning. Because if you over do it and your not prepared, IT CAN KiLL YOU!

All information is provided for entertainment and informational purposes. I do not condone or promote the use of any medication not recommended by a physician.


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I will typically use 5 - 10iu of “R” before each meal depending on the level of carbs in the meal. R generally has an on set of about 30 minutes and a duration of 8 hours. I check my BG frequently and I always carry glucose tabs just in case. Definitely not something you want to do without the proper research and planning. Because if you over do it and your not prepared, IT CAN KiLL YOU!

All information is provided for entertainment and informational purposes. I do not condone or promote the use of any medication not recommended by a physician.


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Thanks brother. There are some things that I just feel like people rush into without really doing their due diligence.
Most steroids if you over do it and don’t run a pct you just get shut down but things like insulin you get buried.
Have a great day brother.


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Thanks brother. There are some things that I just feel like people rush into without really doing their due diligence.
Most steroids if you over do it and don’t run a pct you just get shut down but things like insulin you get buried.
Have a great day brother.


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Wanted to get opinions from OGs on this, always run insulin off season never really needed much as I get big fast buuuuut prep is coming and after a few years off stage I’m in the Supers and EVERYONE is running insulin, just wanted to hear thoughts, opinions, etc.
I think anyone who uses insulin that isn't doing so for legit medicinal purposes (diabetes) is out of their minds. You are going to become a diabetic using it when it's not necessary and put yourself into a diabetic coma if you don't know what you're doing - which is the case with the majority of bodybuilders and this drug. I have two diabetics in my house and it is a very serious condition if not taken care of properly. And the dosages change all of the time depending on your numbers. It has to be closely monitored by a specialist and I doubt some meathead is doing that. Just take test and eat clean.
 
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Except if you normally take correction doses, do not take any quick acting or meal time insulin in the morning. If your blood sugar is high and you need to correct it, use 12 or 50% of your normal correction.
 
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Wanted to get opinions from OGs on this, always run insulin off season never really needed much as I get big fast buuuuut prep is coming and after a few years off stage I’m in the Supers and EVERYONE is running insulin, just wanted to hear thoughts, opinions, etc.
I'm assuming you're not running insulin alone that you're taking HGH? I have used insulin many times I've used HGH with it and T3 with it which is a good combination for scientific reasons I don't want to get into. if you're using just insulin I've never done that and I really don't know what the effects of just insulin without growth hormone would be. if you're I don't know what show you're going into you must be a big guy if you're a super heavyweight and I understand I competed for 12 years straight and I understand trying to keep up with everybody else and you have to do what everybody else does but I don't think insulin is the best thing to be taking right up to a contest. most of the time I would cut it out about 8 weeks out insulin holds body fat no matter what no matter if you're on GH or and if you're on T3 it's still going to hold body fat and it's going to hold water. if you know your body that well you would have to really really know yourself because the carb up with insulin would be difficult unless you totally know what you're doing. I mean my snap judgment will be to tell you not to use it past 8 weeks before but I'm sure people have and do

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I think anyone who uses insulin that isn't doing so for legit medicinal purposes (diabetes) is out of their minds. You are going to become a diabetic using it when it's not necessary and put yourself into a diabetic coma if you don't know what you're doing - which is the case with the majority of bodybuilders and this drug. I have two diabetics in my house and it is a very serious condition if not taken care of properly. And the dosages change all of the time depending on your numbers. It has to be closely monitored by a specialist and I doubt some meathead is doing that. Just take test and eat clean.
I'm sorry bro I didn't get to read your whole post but I got to read up to the part where you say if you use insulin you're insane. a lot of people have misconceptions about the use of insulin I've used it several times and I've never had a damn problem at all and I have a ton of friends that have used it with th and had no problems. the time you're going to have a problem with insulin is if you don't eat I've always used insulin humulin R which is regular insulin which releases at a regular rate so all you have to do is take in a little less than 10 G of carbs per unit of insulin and there is no possible way you're going to go into insulin shock and die or anything bad is going to happen. actually that it was always 10 G to one IU and that's way too high I found. if you know what you're doing insulin is safe just like T3 just like all these other drugs that get a bad name but if you don't know what you're doing yes you could kill yourself with insulin if you take a shot of insulin and don't eat any carbs yeah you're going to go into diabetic shock and you could die but then you're an idiot because you're taking insulin and don't know what the hell you're doing why someone would do that I have no idea it's not like insulin to drug that people pick up in the first month of them training at the gym that's something usually that comes up after they've been competing for like five six years and they want to go to another level. but I'm telling you insulin is a very safe drug if used correctly.

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I'm sorry bro I didn't get to read your whole post but I got to read up to the part where you say if you use insulin you're insane. a lot of people have misconceptions about the use of insulin I've used it several times and I've never had a damn problem at all and I have a ton of friends that have used it with th and had no problems. the time you're going to have a problem with insulin is if you don't eat I've always used insulin humulin R which is regular insulin which releases at a regular rate so all you have to do is take in a little less than 10 G of carbs per unit of insulin and there is no possible way you're going to go into insulin shock and die or anything bad is going to happen. actually that it was always 10 G to one IU and that's way too high I found. if you know what you're doing insulin is safe just like T3 just like all these other drugs that get a bad name but if you don't know what you're doing yes you could kill yourself with insulin if you take a shot of insulin and don't eat any carbs yeah you're going to go into diabetic shock and you could die but then you're an idiot because you're taking insulin and don't know what the hell you're doing why someone would do that I have no idea it's not like insulin to drug that people pick up in the first month of them training at the gym that's something usually that comes up after they've been competing for like five six years and they want to go to another level. but I'm telling you insulin is a very safe drug if used correctly.

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You can run whatever compounds you want; some people think I'm nuts for using TRT dosages. But insulin can kill you if used improperly. Thankfully so far your experiences with it have been positive, But you can go into diabetic shock or a coma playing around with it. And you will fuck up your hormones enough where you'll become diabetic. You mentioned T3 - I also think that thyroid meds are insane for bodybuilding purposes. When guys just used gear and maybe HGH, they lived a hell of a loot longer than what we are seeing the last 15 years.
 
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You can run whatever compounds you want; some people think I'm nuts for using TRT dosages. But insulin can kill you if used improperly. Thankfully so far your experiences with it have been positive, But you can go into diabetic shock or a coma playing around with it. And you will fuck up your hormones enough where you'll become diabetic. You mentioned T3 - I also think that thyroid meds are insane for bodybuilding purposes. When guys just used gear and maybe HGH, they lived a hell of a loot longer than what we are seeing the last 15 years.
dude I'm sorry I'm off for a debate with somebody but you make absolutely no sense. you just said all over again what you said the first time that it's insane to use insulin because you could go into insulin shock I agreed with all that and that is all true if you don't eat. tell me what idiot would shoot 10 units of insulin after they train and then not eat for 4 hours? because that's what would happen is they would go into insulin shock and possibly die now if you take in even 70 or 80 g of carbs that's not going to happen it doesn't matter what type of cabs. my point wasn't that insulin can't kill you and it can't be dangerous a lot of things can be dangerous when misused my point was there is a very safe way to use it and it's a very safe drug if he was correctly and it cannot make you diabetic that's another myth that you came up with from somewhere you probably read it somewhere but it's not true. so all your hypothesis or guesses or whatever you're doing cuz they're not fact and you're twisting the truth bringing up the same thing you brought up in the first post without even acknowledging my point that as long as you eat it's not a dangerous drug because you cannot go into insulin shock or diabetic shock or die. so respond to that respond to the fact that there is no possible way if you eat carbs after you take insulin that you're going to go into diabetic shock anytime and there's any chance of it cuz there's no chance of it so why don't you respond to that what do you think after learning that not your preconceived notions of insulin.

oh and then you lost me totally on T3 what do you really know about T3 I don't know you but just by reading the post I could tell you don't know a lot about these substances. I want to know what's so bad about T3 that you actually said people are dying more that they're using T3 more people are not using T3 more. people been using T3 since the late seventies to lose body fat. it's actually a very safe drug it does not shut off your thyroid gland like testosterone shuts off the testosterone in your body your body makes 25 micrograms of insulin a day actually T3 a day I believe that does not change if you introduce outside T3 so you're still getting the 25 micrograms that your body produces now a lot of people don't understand this so they end up taking too much T3 which isn't deadly or anything there's going to be no horrible repercussions even from taking too much. but knowing that even a dose of 12.5 micrograms will work very well for a lot of people the most I've ever taken is 25. another myth is there's a huge rebound effect from thyroid that if you take it for a contest for 3 months you have to go through some elaborate come off the thyroid plan or you're going to blow up like a balloon. it's also not true there are so many myths that are perpetuated by people like you that don't know what the hell they're talking about but choose to make opinions anyway why don't you do research learn about these drugs and then comment on them.

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you actually believe that T3 can cause you more problems and anabolic steroids in HGH? LOL you are really out of touch with reality and you need to check yourself and start at the beginning again

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dude I'm sorry I'm off for a debate with somebody but you make absolutely no sense. you just said all over again what you said the first time that it's insane to use insulin because you could go into insulin shock I agreed with all that and that is all true if you don't eat. tell me what idiot would shoot 10 units of insulin after they train and then not eat for 4 hours? because that's what would happen is they would go into insulin shock and possibly die now if you take in even 70 or 80 g of carbs that's not going to happen it doesn't matter what type of cabs. my point wasn't that insulin can't kill you and it can't be dangerous a lot of things can be dangerous when misused my point was there is a very safe way to use it and it's a very safe drug if he was correctly and it cannot make you diabetic that's another myth that you came up with from somewhere you probably read it somewhere but it's not true. so all your hypothesis or guesses or whatever you're doing cuz they're not fact and you're twisting the truth bringing up the same thing you brought up in the first post without even acknowledging my point that as long as you eat it's not a dangerous drug because you cannot go into insulin shock or diabetic shock or die. so respond to that respond to the fact that there is no possible way if you eat carbs after you take insulin that you're going to go into diabetic shock anytime and there's any chance of it cuz there's no chance of it so why don't you respond to that what do you think after learning that not your preconceived notions of insulin.

oh and then you lost me totally on T3 what do you really know about T3 I don't know you but just by reading the post I could tell you don't know a lot about these substances. I want to know what's so bad about T3 that you actually said people are dying more that they're using T3 more people are not using T3 more. people been using T3 since the late seventies to lose body fat. it's actually a very safe drug it does not shut off your thyroid gland like testosterone shuts off the testosterone in your body your body makes 25 micrograms of insulin a day actually T3 a day I believe that does not change if you introduce outside T3 so you're still getting the 25 micrograms that your body produces now a lot of people don't understand this so they end up taking too much T3 which isn't deadly or anything there's going to be no horrible repercussions even from taking too much. but knowing that even a dose of 12.5 micrograms will work very well for a lot of people the most I've ever taken is 25. another myth is there's a huge rebound effect from thyroid that if you take it for a contest for 3 months you have to go through some elaborate come off the thyroid plan or you're going to blow up like a balloon. it's also not true there are so many myths that are perpetuated by people like you that don't know what the hell they're talking about but choose to make opinions anyway why don't you do research learn about these drugs and then comment on them.

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Go enjoy your debate; I'm sure you act like a dick there the way you are on these boards. I could give a rat's fuckin' ass if you take everything under the sun & drop dead from it. Not my business nor problem. But you're trying to justify taking shit that isn't meant for bodybuilding. And I didn't say T3 will kill you; that was for insulin. But you were probably balls deep in preparation for your debate and didn't read my few lines correctly.

I've been on gear for 15 years and regularly keep everything in check with doctors. So I am using my own personal experience with that. Your experiences so far with this other shit has been good. But ask yourself why bodybuilders are dying in droves now and didn't before insulin was the popular drug.
 
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Go enjoy your debate; I'm sure you act like a dick there the way you are on these boards. I could give a rat's fuckin' ass if you take everything under the sun & drop dead from it. Not my business nor problem. But you're trying to justify taking shit that isn't meant for bodybuilding. And I didn't say T3 will kill you; that was for insulin. But you were probably balls deep in preparation for your debate and didn't read my few lines correctly.

I've been on gear for 15 years and regularly keep everything in check with doctors. So I am using my own personal experience with that. Your experiences so far with this other shit has been good. But ask yourself why bodybuilders are dying in droves now and didn't before insulin was the popular drug.
you really don't comprehend the written word do you? bodybuilders are dying for whatever reason but none of it relates to insulin use or T3. I told you the only way you're going to die from insulin is if you take a shot of insulin and purposely that means on purpose intentionally don't eat any carbs for 4 or 5 hours going to insulin shock and die so pretty much commit suicide. how you got the idea that T3 kills anybody I have no idea because it doesn't I don't know how you die from supplementing with T3 I just don't know how.
bodybuilders are dying most likely because the ifbb judges rewarded this ridiculous look of freakish size and freakish hardness dryness etc. which made these bodybuilders have to push the envelope with more and more substances. that's why I put the blame on if is steroid induced at all it's most likely heart trouble because I have known so many people that died between 45 and 55 from a heart attack that abuse steroids when they were younger. I've never heard of anybody dying of liver failure I've never heard of cirrhosis of the liver I don't believe AA 17 orals are really is toxic to the liver is people claim them to be not even close. I've been looking for 20 fucking years and looking through medical journals for one single case linking AA oral 17 steroids to any kind of liver failure liver disease or cirrhosis of the liver I have found none zero. I found a bunch of cases of Tylenol destroying the liver I found a bunch of alcohol destroying the liver of course and I found a bunch of things like Vicodin and Percocet which are mixed with Tylenol destroying the liver but not one single case of an oral steroid destroying the liver. do you know why? because it doesn't happen it was listed as a side effect when they first were studying the first orals that were put out as a prescription drug it makes sense it passes through your liver twice injectables past once so I mean a medical doctor is making a little bit of a leap saying orals are probably more toxic to the liver than injectables cuz they have to be metabolized twice. thing is over the past 50 or so years they've been pretty much proven wrong.
other than that I'm not trying to start a fight or anything with you I really not if you choose not to use insulin she was not to use T3 that's fine don't use whatever you don't feel comfortable with but don't give reasons that make no sense. neither is not a safe drug you're taking steroids and you're claiming that insulin is so dangerous and T3 is so dangerous I already explained to you that to die by insulin you pretty much have to do it on purpose and I have never heard anybody die from T3.

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you really don't comprehend the written word do you? bodybuilders are dying for whatever reason but none of it relates to insulin use or T3. I told you the only way you're going to die from insulin is if you take a shot of insulin and purposely that means on purpose intentionally don't eat any carbs for 4 or 5 hours going to insulin shock and die so pretty much commit suicide. how you got the idea that T3 kills anybody I have no idea because it doesn't I don't know how you die from supplementing with T3 I just don't know how.
bodybuilders are dying most likely because the ifbb judges rewarded this ridiculous look of freakish size and freakish hardness dryness etc. which made these bodybuilders have to push the envelope with more and more substances. that's why I put the blame on if is steroid induced at all it's most likely heart trouble because I have known so many people that died between 45 and 55 from a heart attack that abuse steroids when they were younger. I've never heard of anybody dying of liver failure I've never heard of cirrhosis of the liver I don't believe AA 17 orals are really is toxic to the liver is people claim them to be not even close. I've been looking for 20 fucking years and looking through medical journals for one single case linking AA oral 17 steroids to any kind of liver failure liver disease or cirrhosis of the liver I have found none zero. I found a bunch of cases of Tylenol destroying the liver I found a bunch of alcohol destroying the liver of course and I found a bunch of things like Vicodin and Percocet which are mixed with Tylenol destroying the liver but not one single case of an oral steroid destroying the liver. do you know why? because it doesn't happen it was listed as a side effect when they first were studying the first orals that were put out as a prescription drug it makes sense it passes through your liver twice injectables past once so I mean a medical doctor is making a little bit of a leap saying orals are probably more toxic to the liver than injectables cuz they have to be metabolized twice. thing is over the past 50 or so years they've been pretty much proven wrong.
other than that I'm not trying to start a fight or anything with you I really not if you choose not to use insulin she was not to use T3 that's fine don't use whatever you don't feel comfortable with but don't give reasons that make no sense. neither is not a safe drug you're taking steroids and you're claiming that insulin is so dangerous and T3 is so dangerous I already explained to you that to die by insulin you pretty much have to do it on purpose and I have never heard anybody die from T3.

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Both insulin & thyroid medications can masque a condition that you may have or develop and it will go undetected. But getting back to our original discussion, anyone who takes these drugs for bodybuilding purposes is not thinking right because what is the long term plan? Even the most popular pros make shit in terms of money. Are you on the Olympia stage? And that's not a rhetorical question; I have no idea who you really are. But I'll bet that you're an NPC lifer and even if you look great, you're not going anywhere unless you blow the powers that be.
 
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I'm sorry bro I didn't get to read your whole post but I got to read up to the part where you say if you use insulin you're insane. a lot of people have misconceptions about the use of insulin I've used it several times and I've never had a damn problem at all and I have a ton of friends that have used it with th and had no problems. the time you're going to have a problem with insulin is if you don't eat I've always used insulin humulin R which is regular insulin which releases at a regular rate so all you have to do is take in a little less than 10 G of carbs per unit of insulin and there is no possible way you're going to go into insulin shock and die or anything bad is going to happen. actually that it was always 10 G to one IU and that's way too high I found. if you know what you're doing insulin is safe just like T3 just like all these other drugs that get a bad name but if you don't know what you're doing yes you could kill yourself with insulin if you take a shot of insulin and don't eat any carbs yeah you're going to go into diabetic shock and you could die but then you're an idiot because you're taking insulin and don't know what the hell you're doing why someone would do that I have no idea it's not like insulin to drug that people pick up in the first month of them training at the gym that's something usually that comes up after they've been competing for like five six years and they want to go to another level. but I'm telling you insulin is a very safe drug if used correctly.

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The dude is a troll or a hater just save your breath fire a legit athlete not some shit talker. Don’t even believe he has diabetics in his house and if he dose and they’re not type 1 then how lol
 
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