Jay 2001 Vs 2008: I don't see the difference...

[lifterdead]

Aside from the conditioning, that is.



Seriously, I don't think he's that far off. He's obviously got more mass/less cuts, but his shape hasn't completely gone to shit yet. Is it just me, or am I totally missing something? Perhaps if Jay can ever nail his conditioning again, he could go back to being a major legitimate threat.

Well?

Discuss!

 

[Flex]

That's just one picture.

 

[lifterdead]

Come on', debate with me!

 

[Tonyk212000]

Come on', debate with me!

NO! :angrydude:


JK....Jay sucks.

 

[Beau]

He needs to dial it in....come down a bit in weight to get the waist as under control as he can and i think he still has a legit shot at doing some damage on any stage...he is the biggest dude on the circuit now. Comes down to condition, look at how well he looked saturday compared to friday. If he looked the way he did at the finals the first night he probably would have his 3rd sandow right now.

 

[Beau]

NO! :angrydude:


JK....Jay sucks.

Yet another solid post by a solid member

 

[miamiracing]

he's dryer in the 01 pic and his legs/abs look more shreddered

 

[Tonyk212000]

Yet another solid post by a solid member

Maybe im just not in a serious mood today WHy dont you loosen up instead of being all serious.

 

[tkD]

i don't think Jay's gonna achieve again 2001 condition and shape, but he is still in the game and could do the improvements that Beau specified already imo.


and in the same time lulz @ Beau

 

[lifterdead]

If he looked the way he did at the finals the first night he probably would have his 3rd sandow right now.

I felt the same way. In fact, I kinda even felt bad for Jay; he was, by normal Olympia standards, in shape enough to win on Sat. night. Too bad he looked like total crap for the prejudging...

 

[Bodybuilderdk]

his conditioning just isn't up to par of what conditioning is today, i mean physiques and levels change, i mean rich gaspari changed the idea of conditioning when he entered the worlds and i mean phil has done the same since the ironman, and with dexter the physique and face of bodybuilding is changing....so yes maybe his best just isn't enough i mean there have been many bbuilders that have had great physiques but just didn't meet the phase of bodybuilding at their time look at flex vs ronnie, shawn vs dorian, and know phil/dex vs jay however mass is on the way out if that mass doesnt have the need conditioning and shape/symmetry...what do you all think

 

[Duality]

^ great post man. very true.

 

[Pain]

Lighting,angle,tan,camera distance ect all come into play here. He is also hitting the pose slightly different.

Whats the difference in weight?

 

[JHP81]

Turn him around and you will see the diff.

 

[Tonyk212000]

This is for Beau since there is no such thing as not being serious

I actually think he became worse. His shoulders,arms and legs well especially his retarded right leg is much bigger in 2001 rather than 2008. His waist is also much tighter and his overal condition is in another league compared to 2008.


You happy now Beau

 

[Iceman1981]

Jay is less conditioned, out of proportion, imbalanced, wider waist, worst symmetry etc. than 2001.

 

[Beau]

This is for Beau since there is no such thing as not being serious

I actually think he became worse. His shoulders,arms and legs well especially his retarded right leg is much bigger in 2001 rather than 2008. His waist is also much tighter and his overal condition is in another league compared to 2008.


You happy now Beau

Well at least you gave some reasoning on your opinion this time...good on ya! Your learning

 

[lifterdead]

So I'm alone in thinking Jay could turn it around?

 

[Arcane1129]

I don't think he can look like 2001 personally. He has a shot at 2006, however, which would still be Mr. O worthy. He proved in the night show that he can still look good enough to win- he just has to make sure he nails his condition on both days.

 

[Beau]

So I'm alone in thinking Jay could turn it around?

No I'm with you...he needs to do a little revamping though. He's still young enough and ya as we saw at the finals Saturday night he can bring a winning physique...won't be easy but i think if he changes a few things he can regain the title for another year. Phil is gonna be unstoppable in a few years though IMO.