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US warships head for South China Sea

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From The Times
March 14, 2009
US warships head for South China Sea after standoff
Tim Reid in Washington

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

Mr Obama’s decision to send an armed escort for US surveillance ships in the area follows the aggressive and co-ordinated manoeuvres of five Chinese boats on Sunday. They harassed and nearly collided with an unarmed American vessel.

Washington accused the Chinese ships of moving directly in front of the US Navy surveillance ship Impeccable, forcing its crew to take emergency action, and to deploy a high-pressure water hose to deter the Chinese ships. Formal protests were lodged with Beijing after the incident.

On a day that Mr Obama and his senior officials met the Chinese Foreign Minister, Yang Jiechi, in Washington, Beijing showed no sign of backing down. Its military chiefs accused the unarmed US Navy ship of being on a spying mission.

The US keeps a close eye on China’s arsenal, including its expanding fleet of submarines in the area. Washington says that the confrontation occurred in international waters, but Beijing claims nearly all the South China Sea as its own, putting it in conflict with five other nations that have claims over different parts of the waters.

The episode complicated fragile military relations between the US and China, which appeared to have improved after the two held defence talks in Beijing last month.

Mr Obama yesterday urged more military dialogue with China to avoid similar incidents after talks with Mr Yang, the White House said. “The President also stressed the importance of raising the level and frequency of military-to-military dialogue,” it said.

A hotline was established between the Chinese Defence Ministry and the Pentagon in April last year, but it was not used during or after Sunday’s standoff, defence officials said. The US Government immediately protested to Chinese authorities after the incident, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

Beijing has rejected the US account and demanded that the United States cease what it calls illegal activities in the South China Sea. The Chinese maintain the area is part of the country’s exclusive economic zone.

Washington insists that the area is part of international waters and that US ships have a legal right to operate there.
 
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ok like wtf is up with your pic?
if its in international waters (not according to china) then they can spy all they want, assuming they were spying
just like china sent ships to fool around near it, US sent as well
and wtf is the point of doing what the chinese ships did?
if they were really fucking professional would they have acted like that?
should they have said to leave the area?
they said nothing and annoyed it, its like there were 10yr olds at the wheel from how it describes the manouvers taken by the chinese ships
 
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ok like wtf is up with your pic?
if its in international waters (not according to china) then they can spy all they want, assuming they were spying
just like china sent ships to fool around near it, US sent as well
and wtf is the point of doing what the chinese ships did?
if they were really fucking professional would they have acted like that?
should they have said to leave the area?
they said nothing and annoyed it, its like there were 10yr olds at the wheel from how it describes the manouvers taken by the chinese ships

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gonna start with the anti america BS again?
 
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Maybe I'm thinking of something else but weren't these ships filled with unarmed protesters from China? And, we're going to send more military ships over there because of this?
 
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Didn't we do the same shit with Iran?

Maybe the United States should stop instigating fights. If we quit trying to intimidate other countries, we wouldn't have so many problems.
 
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Didn't we do the same shit with Iran?

Maybe the United States should stop instigating fights. If we quit trying to intimidate other countries, we wouldn't have so many problems.

I would say it is the other way around in this case. China is instigating the "fight" here. China is further proving their radical stance and aggressiveness that tore the alliance between the Soviet Union and China in the 50's and 60's. Not even the Soviet Union wanted to deal with militarily aggressive and radical regime in China.
 
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I would say it is the other way around in this case. China is instigating the "fight" here. China is further proving their radical stance and aggressiveness that tore the alliance between the Soviet Union and China in the 50's and 60's. Not even the Soviet Union wanted to deal with militarily aggressive and radical regime in China.
or.....maybe we could just mind our own business and stop poking around countries for no reason.

even if we were in International waters.....what purpose does it serve to piss off China?
 
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I would say it is the other way around in this case. China is instigating the "fight" here. China is further proving their radical stance and aggressiveness that tore the alliance between the Soviet Union and China in the 50's and 60's. Not even the Soviet Union wanted to deal with militarily aggressive and radical regime in China.

what they done was pretty much the same as what the Canadian air force did when the Russian fighter jets came *near* their air space. Is it so wrong that the Chinese don't enjoy America spying on them?

http://www.canada.com/Russian+chased+Canada+before+Obama+visit/1336298/story.html
 
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what they done was pretty much the same as what the Canadian air force did when the Russian fighter jets came *near* their air space. Is it so wrong that the Chinese don't enjoy America spying on them?

http://www.canada.com/Russian+chased+Canada+before+Obama+visit/1336298/story.html

Not wrong, but with the possible threat they are it is to be expected. Every country spies on the other, and when you have a radical and aggressive regime like China I find it a necessity.
 
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Not wrong, but with the possible threat they are it is to be expected. Every country spies on the other, and when you have a radical and aggressive regime like China I find it a necessity.

What would happen if China came near America's airspace?
 
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Not wrong, but with the possible threat they are it is to be expected. Every country spies on the other, and when you have a radical and aggressive regime like China I find it a necessity.

Yes but its not like china sent a couple war ships to get in their way, and from what TJ's saying, it was a bunch of protesters. I think the problem here is that the U.S's response is a lot more aggressive and uncalled for.It will only result in increasing the tensions between the two nations, which is exactly what's been happening between Iran and the U.S since the war ships moved into the Persian gulf. I'm sure the U.S would've done the same if it was chinese ships nearing US territories.
 
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What would happen if China came near America's airspace?

That would be a scary day :omgwtf:


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Yes but its not like china sent a couple war ships to get in their way, and from what TJ's saying, it was a bunch of protesters. I think the problem here is that the U.S's response is a lot more aggressive and uncalled for.It will only result in increasing the tensions between the two nations, which is exactly what's been happening between Iran and the U.S since the war ships moved into the Persian gulf. I'm sure the U.S would've done the same if it was chinese ships nearing US territories.

I don't ever remember reading that it was protesters. can someone show me this please?
 
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I was referring to this post. Not sure where he got the info.

Maybe I'm thinking of something else but weren't these ships filled with unarmed protesters from China? And, we're going to send more military ships over there because of this?

I done a little search and this is what I found out about the Chinese ships.

The Chinese ships included a navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries patrol vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel, and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers, US officials said. The US crew radioed to tell the Chinese ships that it was leaving the area and requested a safe path to navigate.

Soon afterwards two of the Chinese ships stopped directly ahead of Impeccable, forcing it to an emergency stop to avoid collision because the Chinese had dropped pieces of wood in the water directly in its path.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5875666.ece
 
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......some of you are so anti american that's it's almost funny. little things like this are carried out on a daily basis and the US had an unarmed ship in international waters (and being that far out, they are international waters) and china got aggressive. you send an armed vessel out to send a message "back the fuck off". china is in the wrong here and the US is just being cautious if the chinese get more aggressive. if the chinese back off, we back off.
 
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......some of you are so anti american that's it's almost funny.

you can say that again,
i bet if it was ron paul whoever in the whitehouse we would be getting different replies
 
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Like I said, I'm not 100% sure about that info, but I'm pretty sure it came from the media....go figure.

I never stated that it was a fact, I just made a mistake and referred to your post in one of my replies, *hoping* you were right. When braaq asked about it I done some research and came back with the proper facts.
 
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you can say that again,
i bet if it was ron paul whoever in the whitehouse we would be getting different replies
if Ron Paul was in the Whitehouse, you'd be getting no replies........because this shit wouldn't happen.
 
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