allstar
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ya not my thing
Glutamine's the biggest waste of money you can find. I, personally feel it works through a placebo effect.
The essentials for me:
Whey... (Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex or Gold Standard)
Creatine monohydrate... (Optimum Nutrition, micronized or PP)
Multi-Vitamin... (1-A-Day Men or Centrium)
BCAA's... (Optimum Nutrition)
Dextrose... (NOW)
Supplements ive used that are worth trying/using..
Cytosport cytogainer
Xpand
N.O.Xplode
Monster milk
Purple Wraath
Labrada super charge extreme
MRIs Black powder
Controlled labs glycer grow
Cell mass
Havoc
Mass FX
Novedex XT
more.. to come.
regards to havoc, the stuff is bloody awesome as!
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As I said in your thread there is no sound science supporting the claim that NO causes DNA and other health problems. What little work has been done actually talks about it in terms of its affects on mental health.
But I agree that nitrous oxide or arginine supplements are the biggest waste of money. Right up there with glutamine.
GOOD SUPPLEMENTS:
Whey
Casein
Creatine
Fish oil
BCAA (although I don't see the point if you are taking a complete protein)
EAAs (ditto)
Leucine (although I'm not completely sold on extra supplementation of it over and above protein powders)
Multivitamins
ZMA
Glucosamine/Chrondrotin
These are the only links of any substance and reference to this "phenomenon" that I've found when searching for info. I'm not saying that it can't occur from NO supplementation, but it is rather unlikely as arginine is part of our daily dietry intake and you said it yourself that NO is produced as a bi-product of exercise. So for a theory to have arisen in the dark (so to speak) without some of the other studies picking up this theory as side-effects sounds like spurious nonsense.NO causes problems in excess obvioulsly as a natural by product of exercise it won't cause you any harm im talking about actually supplementing with the stiuff. Im not the only person talking about this. Have a look... if you need scientific back up you can ask a guy named Matrix on that forum he can back it up. These are all very new theorys which as far as i have seen/researched/read are very true.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/116747-why-do-l.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/114485-undermethylation-overmethylation.html
I posted something on this recently. The actual rates of dairy/lactose intollerance (which is one in the same) depend entirely on your heritage and exposure to dairy over your lifespan. Those of european descent have very low rates of lactose intollerance (4-12%) while asian and african descendants can be closer to 60%. But this is also relative to exposure. It is your bodies ability to process lactose with the correct enzymes that is the issue. People from African heritage haven't traditionally consumed a lot of dairy and as a result haven't got a large production of the enzymes that process lactose. So the environmental effect of not consuming it can actually play a large part in intollerance. If you haven't consumed a lot then your body down regulates the enzyme production and you will have intollerance. Quite simply consuming dairy will promote the enzyme production, and the level you can consume at will vary from SFA to gallons.As far as supplements go i would say:
Casein sucks because most people are allergic to dairy and or lactose. (allergies are a hidden cause of a lot of things look it up guys sheesh )
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As I said in your thread there is no sound science supporting the claim that NO causes DNA and other health problems. What little work has been done actually talks about it in terms of its affects on mental health.
But I agree that nitrous oxide or arginine supplements are the biggest waste of money. Right up there with glutamine.
GOOD SUPPLEMENTS:
Whey
Casein
Creatine
Fish oil
BCAA (although I don't see the point if you are taking a complete protein)
EAAs (ditto)
Leucine (although I'm not completely sold on extra supplementation of it over and above protein powders)
Multivitamins
ZMA
Glucosamine/Chrondrotin
I think that the research shows too many of these studies:What do you guys think about Hydroxycut?Any users?
Admitedly the dosage isn't recommended to be above 8 tablets per day.Title: Two patients with acute liver injury associated with use of the herbal weight-loss supplement hydroxycut.
Personal Authors: Stevens, T., Qadri, A., Zein, N. N.
Author Affiliation: Cleveland Clinic Foundation, Cleveland, OH 44118, USA.
Editors: No editors
Document Title: Annals of Internal Medicine
Abstract:
Two case reports are presented of severe hepatotoxicity associated with the use of the weight-loss herbal supplement Hydroxycut, comprised of calcium, chromium, potassium, Garcinia cambogia, Gymnema sylvestre leaf extract, glucomannan, α-lipoic acid, willow bark extract, L-carnitine, green tea leaf extract, caffeine, guarana [Paullinia cupana] extract, silica, gelatin and cellulose. The first patient, a 27-year-old male, presented with 8 days of fatigue and jaundice. He had been taking Hydroxycut for 5 weeks, 3 tablets 3 times per day. Laboratory analysis revealed serum aspartate aminotransferase level of 1808 U/litre (normal 5-50 U/litre), serum alanine aminotransferase level of 3131 U/litre (normal 7-40 U/litre), bilirubin level of 133 µmol/litre (normal 0-26 µmol/litre), alkaline phosphatase level of 171 U/litre (normal 40-150 U/litre), albumin level of 39 g/litre (normal 35-50 g/litre), prothrombin time of 16 seconds (normal 9-13 seconds), and a platelet count of 208×109 cells/litre (normal 150-400×109 cells/litre). The aminotransferase levels peaked on hospital day 2. Four weeks later, results of the liver function tests improved substantially. The second patient, a 30-year-old man, presented with 10 days of jaundice, fever, vomiting and fatigue. For 5 days between the 16th and 11th days before presentation, he had been taking 9 tablets of Hydroxycut per day. Except for jaundice and minimal abdominal tenderness, the results of physical examination were normal. Laboratory analysis revealed a serum bilirubin level of 133 µmol/litre, alkaline phosphatase level of 530 U/litre, aspartate aminotransferase level of 59 U/litre, serum alanine aminotransferase level of 45 U/litre, albumin level of 28 g/litre, a prothrombin time of 15 seconds, and platelet count of 217×109 cells/litre. An abdominal computed tomography scan and endoscopic retrograde cholangiogram were negative. On hospital day 4, liver biopsy revealed cholestatis and portal inflammation. The laboratory abnormalities improved, and the patient was discharged on hospital day 9. Two months later, the results of liver tests were normal.
DIFFERENCES IN BODY COMPOSITION BETWEEN USERS AND
NON-USERS OF HYDROXYCUT
Aaron J. Miller, Adam L. Sturgis, Michael R. McHorney, Michael J. Sinz
University of Wisconsin at Eau Claire, WI
Abstract.
The very popular Hydroxycut has been a substance that has been scrutinized for the lack of knowledge about its long term side effects. There has not been, however, a lot of research done on the actual intended effects of Hydroxycut on a person’s body composition. We have taken this issue and have studied the effects of Hydroxycut on someone who uses it as a daily supplement verses someone who does not use it as a daily supplement. Seven Males between the ages of 22 and 23 were tested for body fat percentage using bioelectrical impedance at the beginning and end of a three week training period. Four of the subjects were required to supplement Hydroxycut daily, along with designated exercise. The other three subjects performed the daily exercise but did not supplement Hydroxycut for weight
loss. At the end of the three week trial, we found very interesting data. The mean body fat percentage, during the three week training period, had actually increased for the hydroxycut using group, while the non-using group’s body fat percentage dropped using the paired-t test. The Hydroxycut user group’s body fat percentage went from a mean of 13.01% up to a mean
of 13.12%. The non-user group’s body fat percentage went from 18.1% to 17.37%. There was no significant difference in loss of body fat percentage in this study, but there was enough interesting information to spark more interest on the topic leading to a hope for more studies to come and discover the short-term/positive effects of the supplement.