- Jul 13, 2006
Looks staged, Joe the Plumber is such a douche.
Seriously why is he bitching he will Probably be making 250,000 a year, this is all hypothetical because he doesn't have the business yet. Lets have him decide making maybe 60,000 a year and paying 15,000 in taxes or making 250,000 a year and paying 30,000 (these numbers are hypothetical don't feel like doing the actual math) Which one would you take, seriously be happy you're making that much and shut the fu*k yup.
Of course you are assuming all the people that are making ridiculous sums of money are working for it.
What Obama is pitching actually makes sense for the average american. Why should the lower tax brackets take the hit so those in the higher can save money.
The money has to come from somewhere. For those of you who think all this money goes to welfare for lazy slobs there is alot more to consider.
With the rising cost of steel, copper, concrete and other building materials the cost of maintain even just roadways is astronomical. The amount of public roads these days is insane, plus add the extra traffic volume which causes untold wear and tear and you have something that everyone needs and it costs a ton of money to keep it operations.
The money for the services you all depend on (Roads, Safe Water, Police, Fire Dept, Emergency Services) needs to come from somewhere. As gas and raw material costs climb due to china's massive economic growth the money needs to be made up.
Now I am not saying you are all saying welfare is the cause of all evil. But there is much more that tax dollars go to than welfare and social aid programs. The costs of simple maintenance and essential government services is increasing. Raw building materials cost more, due to increased demand from rapidly developing nations.
A little off topic, but I just get a little miffed when people claim that so much of taxes go to only welfare or social services.
That is not to say that the governments administration of these services can't be made more efficient, there is a TON of room for that.
I bet most people on this board are all about "green energy" and "alternative fuels", "higher efficiency". For companies to get the tax breaks they need to perform R&D in those industries that money needs to come from somewhere. For the 25 billion dollar bailout quietly given to GM and the automotive industry, to keep thousands employed long enough for GM to hopefully (looking pretty grim at the moment) correct their problems, that money needs to come from somewhere.
One, why is it fair that someone be punished for their success, and have to pay higher taxes? They pay more to use the exact same roads, police, water, and so forth. Why is that fair? Should they have to pay more in supermarkets for the same food as well?
Ive said this 10,000,000,000,000 times now. Its 80 % luck and if you are making that much then who cares if you pay a little extra, there just going to spend it on another car or another vacation to some exotic place anyway.
and again it is irratating that you make out all these wealthy peoples' "success" to be completely of their own doing and hard work.
ironslave your logic here is not what is best for this nation right now. with the economy the way it is this proposal makes the most sense. lower taxes on middle to lower class america (the bulk of society) and raise the taxes of the wealthy ($250000 a year is a lot of money) in an attempt to help stimulate the lower and middle classes to spend more. for the most part, it is luck that propels their prosperity, their is nothing wrong with them giving a little back in a time of need, which is the time we are currently in.
Duality, if you actually read my last posts, and actually believe this above statement, all I have to say is.
It is pointless for me to continue to discuss things if you keep resorting to the same unsubstantiated arguments bud, and don't even read the links I post. Stimulate the "lower and middle classes to spend more?" That is absurd! That is one of the main reasons why America is in this mess! Because the lower and middle classes spent WAY WAY more than they could afford. America needs to save, not spend.