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Better then yohimbine?

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Methyl 17 alpha-hydroxy-yohiman-16alpha-carboxylate hydrochloride

Since yohimbine is now illegal in all of europe if im not mistaken, muscle tech has this compound in the hydroxycut hardcore pills and they claim on it being like yohimbine but BETTER?

any thoughts or advice?
 
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All I know is that I hate yohimbine. Shits almost put me in the hospital a couple of times.
 
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Doubt it's better. A common process with supplement companies is to just take molecules, and stick shit on them to make the IUPAC (organic chemistry name) sound much more difficult, which in turn convinces people to think that "oh wow, I can't pronounce this, it must be really scientific and great."

As Creator said, yohimbine does have some nasty sides, and can cause really uncomfortable head rushes and high blood pressure. But, it is a good supplement for getting "stubborn fat" if you're at that level of leanness. There are some pretty good products for dieting which have small amounts of yohimbine in it.

Yohimbine works like this.

The two types of andrenergic receptors are alpha, and beta receptors. There receptors are couples to regulatory proteins called "G proteins." B- 1, 2, 3 are coupled to G stimulatory proteins. A-1 receptors, are also coupled to G stimulatory proteins. A-2 receptors on the other hand, are couples to G- Inhibitory proteins.

Activation of the G stimulatory proteins results in the formation of cAMP inside the cell. In turn, cAMP (through many ways) increases the activity of the enzyme hormone sensitive lipase (HSL), which is the main enzyme involved in fat burning.

G inhibitory proteins prevent cAMP from forming, which means less fat burning.

Yohmbine is a selective Alpha-2 receptor antagonist (blocker). What this means, is that blocks the receptor, which is tied to preventing cAMP. In a sense, it is "removing the brakes" on one signal which prevents fat burning. These alpha-2 receptors are densely located around the gut, which means there could possibly be a local fat burning effect.
 
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Thanks for the info IS...defenitly thaught me somethere there!

I was thinking of just getting some ephedrine and caffeine pills.......cheap and effective..
 
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Thanks for the info IS...defenitly thaught me somethere there!

I was thinking of just getting some ephedrine and caffeine pills.......cheap and effective..

Is definitely illegal, atleast here in Sweden
 
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its illegal in all of europe i think,but it can be found quite easily,the "eca" stack is going to stretch your nerves big time,i've used that stuff some years back and i had to quit it because i was angry and having this weird feeling of my nerves being stretched all time,
 
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Ephedrine it's also illegal in Spain. Mostly because of its recreational use, so perhaps it's legal in Holland, they've got all the goodies legalized :hyperguy:
 
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^^ its not legal in holland but very easy to get....they sell it at the supp store under the counter lulz.

Im thinking of buying for a fat burning stack:

Caffeine pills
Cla pills
Ehpedra pills

Stack them up and see how it works
 
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Whats iso-lator?
 
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^it was a joke...
iso-lator is a hash thats sold at your parts.strong stuff,you can ask philosopher(mod)he knows about it

lol
 
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^^ haha my bad...I aint that familiar with that topic...i do smoke once in a while but nothing crazy! lulz :)
 
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I got me some old hydroxycut hardcore with the yohimibine :)...should i stack it with some ephedra for better results or is it too dangerous?
 
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^^ Personally, I wouldnt recommend it but I guess it comes down to how sensitive you are to stims. In my case, it would give me a heart attack, but thats just me. I would see how the hydroxycut works for you first and then decide if you want the extra help from ephedra. Ephedra wont make you burn fat any better, it just might help you get there a little faster.
 
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Ok thanx for the advice creator!
 
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Good info IS, i feel happy i could understand that :techn9ne:
 
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