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Joel "Birdlegs" Stubbs[3rd place] vs. Fouad Abiad[4th place] - Europa

Who wins?

  • Joel Stubbs

    Votes: 8 18.2%
  • Fouad Abiad

    Votes: 36 81.8%

  • Total voters
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Credit is due to Stubbs for bringing great conditioning. But simply stated, Fouad looks like a bodybuilder, Joel does not.


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Stubbs would better compete in the handicapped class, in a wheelchair, he would own all, and this time fair judged.
 
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Stubbs would better compete in the handicapped class, in a wheelchair, he would own all, and this time fair judged.
I never thought about that...it's so true!

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He really doesn't have any mass near his knee at all. Almost looks like he has torn the insertions and had them repared.

Either that or he is afraid of squats.
 
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Stubbs is just terribly put together.
 
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Fouad only fourth?!.. Stubbs shouldn't place before Abiad, But I dont see the reason to mock him for his torn quads, show some class flex
 
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the thing is like it has always been,the better back wins the show.maybe his quads are not that amazing.but i dont think any of the guys in mecca are even near him so it is better not to criticize.and if he had a nickname it would be :"best back in the business atm"
 
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the only reason Fouad got 4th is because the judges wanted to see Bill and Joel quality for the O.. IFBB sucks..
 
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the thing is like it has always been,the better back wins the show.maybe his quads are not that amazing.but i dont think any of the guys in mecca are even near him so it is better not to criticize.and if he had a nickname it would be :"best back in the business atm"

Phil Heath is a member here. I think the next Mr O could claim to have a superior back.

Anonymous criticism is what the internet is all about.
 
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stubbs back completely destroys fouads. not that fouads is bad, but stubbs back is amazing.

other than that, fouad is more complete with alot better quads and also harder, especially through the hams and glutes, so i agree with the assesment that fouad should have beat him.
 

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If Fouad and Joel were the only contestant in the show I would have had it:

1. Fouad
2. Fouad
3. Fouad
4. Fouad
5. Joel

I think it's that obvious.
 
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Fouad only fourth?!.. Stubbs shouldn't place before Abiad, But I dont see the reason to mock him for his torn quads, show some class flex

Are you sure that Stubbs has torn quads???????!!! I thought they were just how his legs were shaped........
 
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dont think he has torn quads, but he has had 2 knee surgeries..
 
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^I heard he tore both ACL's in his knees, some basketball injury.
 
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Fouad only fourth?!.. Stubbs shouldn't place before Abiad, But I dont see the reason to mock him for his torn quads, show some class flex
We don't know that they're torn. If anything, probably only his left quad is torn.

From what I've heard, he has terrible knees...which keeps him from squatting hard.
 
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As long as that's true, you know what that means? The judges handed 3rd place to a bodybuilder that doesn't have to go through with grueling leg workouts every week.

That, IMO, gives us the right to criticize.

If Stubbs is able to start crushing quads hard, he'll be nearly unstoppable. For now, stick to wheelchair bodybuilding. :49:
 
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Joel had 2 surgeries on his knees during his College Basketball days. its written all in Milos sarcevs forum.

and guys dont forget.. joel is 6ft 3in.. obviously could be MUCH better but for someone with his knee problem AND stature they arent bad
 
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Joel had 2 surgeries on his knees during his College Basketball days. its written all in Milos sarcevs forum.

and guys dont forget.. joel is 6ft 3in.. obviously could be MUCH better but for someone with his knee problem AND stature they arent bad

no offense but I would say they are very bad.....I can fully understand the knee problems but his stature has nothing to do without it....Look at Edward Nunn's legs and he is 6 foot 1........Toney Freeman has amazing legs at 6 foot 2.....and even quincy taylor has good legs at what......6 foot 4

trust me I have nothing against stubbs, i actually talked to him at the AC 2 years ago for about 10 min. he was an unbeliveably nice person but still this is a bodybuilding show and he was handed his good placing
 
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This is bodybuilding, guys. You have to hold people's structural shortcomings against them, as it's pretty much the basis of the sport.
 
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Having been at the Europa for the entire weekend, I think the only place Fouad won was in his quads. These pics don't tell the whole story. It is true Stubbs' quads are not on par with the rest of his physique, but he was all around better than Fouad on this weekend(excepting his quads of course). He(Stubbs) brought a pretty impressive package to this show. I also have to agree with Turkish1530 in his assessment of stature.
 

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