Post cycle therapy how to and why you need it after a cycle

[Mountain-Man]

Feel free to add to this thread I will post one often about medican and gear uses and explanations.so the vets will learn new uses for products and new guys can learn about benefits and side effects.I am doing this to promote mecca and mb4team.

Today let's talk about pct now I have not done it in years I'm on HRT or cycle year round I get alot of ? About pct so I thought I would start a thread for information.

Back in my day this was standard

Week HCG ------------ CLOMID ---- NOLVADEX

1 1,000iu/ed -------------------- 150mg/ed
2 1,000iu/ed (1st 3 Days)---- 150mg/ed ---40mg/ed
3 ------------------------------ 150mg/ed ---40mg/ed
4 ----------------------------- 100mg/ed ---40mg/ed
5 ---------------------------- 50mg/ed ---20mg/ed
6 ----------------------------- 50mg/ed ---20mg/ed
7 ----------------------------- 50mg/ed ---20mg/ed

You will need and You pay for:
1. 15,000 IU of HCG
2. 120 pills of Nolvadex
3. 100 pills of Clomid

 

[Mountain-Man]

Trade Name Chemical Name Half-Life Waiting period
Anapolon 50 Oxymetholone 8 to 9 hours 1.5 days
Anavar 20 Oxandrolone 9 hours 1.5 days
Deca 350 Nandrolone Decanoate 15 days 45 Days
Dianabol 10 Methandrostenolone 4.5 to 6 hours 1 day
Equi 350 Boldenone Undeclynate 16.5 days 50 days
Halotestin 10 Fluoxymesterone 9.5 hours 1.5 days
Masteron 100 Drostanolone Propionate 4.5 days 14 days
Masteron 150 Drostanolone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Nandro-Prop 150 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 5.5 days 16 days
Oral Primobolan Methenolone Acetate 4 to 8 hours 1 day
Oral Turinabol 20 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone 16 hours 2 days
Oral Winstrol Stanozolol 9 hours 1.5 days
Primo 200 Methenolone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Prop 100 Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days 14 days
Proviron 20 Mesterolone 12 to 13 hours 1.5 days
Super Test 320 / Sustanon Testosterone Blend 18 days 54 days
Testen 300 Testosterone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Testocyp 250 Testosterone Cypionate 12 days 36 days
Tren 150 Trenbolone Enanthate 8 to 10.5 days 30 days
Tren-Ace 80 Trenbolone Acetate 3 days 9 days
When you determined the half-life for the longest acting compound you can use the following formula to calculate the time you have to wait before you start PCT:

3 x tHalf-Life = Time to wait

For example- If you stacked Sustanon with dianabol, you will wait 3 x 18 = 54 days before commencing PCT. This is considerably longer than what most other sources might tell you, however they never took into consideration that traces of a steroid will stay active in your body for up to 7 x tHalf-Life. So even if you wait slightly longer than 3 x tHalf-Life the chance of much muscle loss is very minimal.

 

[johnjohn]

Nice read on the post therapy brother. You always read about someone's cycle but never there post.

 

[Mountain-Man]

Nice read on the post therapy brother. You always read about someone's cycle but never there post.

Thanks I was thinking all day what never gets talked about anymore so I know there are new guys and vets who do pct so let's put some information up

 

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How To Properly Cycle Off Steroids While Keeping Your Gains
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cybercom8
Aug '10
Hey guys,

what do you think of this PCT advice and information? Im not sure about the HCG advice since everyone here says you should do HCG during your cycle instead of just before PCT? Some useful info here though.

HOW TO PROPERLY CYCLE OFF STEROIDS WHILE KEEPING YOUR GAINS

By: Jonathan Deprospo

The biggest pit fall many people encounter when using a cycle of steroids is the course of action taken once the cycle is complete. Many people will start a cycle without fully researching the topic of steroid cycling for bodybuilders, and the intricate details seem to get left behind.

Bodybuilders and weight lifting enthusiasts in gyms around the world will hop on a cycle of steroids without even knowing what the word Anti-estrogen means (although more and more people are starting to see the merit of using these drugs) and when the side effects hit, all the blame goes to the drugs that they took and not the fact that they poorly planed their cycle.

Every cycle you embark on should be properly planed for the goals that you wish to achieve, and you should also have the necessary drugs for post cycle and also during cycle for estrogen control.

This will make a difference like night and day compared to using steroids without any auxiliary drugs.

Employing an anti-estrogen during your cycle to control estrogen related water retention, and gynecomastia is a must, and I feel people shouldn't embark on a course of anabolic/androgenic steroids without using a drug for this purpose.

When finishing your cycle an anti-estrogen should continue to be used during your recovery phase because of the fact that your testosterone levels will be very low at this point, and you will have an elevated level of estrogen hormone in your system.

By using an anti-estrogen during this time, you will be able to keep your estrogen levels to a minimum so you will avoid post cycle side effects such as water retention, gynecomastia, depression, sickness, and acne.

At the same time you must employ a drug to help raise your testosterone levels to a normal level as quickly as possible. By using a drug for this purpose you will be able to retain the majority of your gains made on your cycle when the cycle is complete, and avoid the loss of gains from coming off AAS.

In this article I will outline the different drugs used for the two purposes mentioned above. The first is Anti-Estrogens rated from the most effective, to the least effective. I will then discuss the two drugs used to raise testosterone levels back to normal. And finally I will outline a few different post cycle protocols that will help you minimize side effects from your cycle, and also help you to keep your gains made while on ASS while avoiding the dreaded "post cycle crash."

Anti-Estrogens

(from most effective to least effective)

Arimidex or Femara

Arimidex is an anti-aromatize drug used while on anabolic/androgenic steroids to help prevent water retention (edema) and Gynecomastia (bitch tits) build up that is a common side effect of using drugs such as synthetic testosterone and androgenic drugs. Arimidex's mechanism of action is by blocking the aromatize enzyme, which will block the production of the hormone estrogen.

This drug is also used for the weeks after your cycle while on a post cycle therapy regimen for the same purpose for using it while on the AAS. Arimidex has a half-life of 3 days, so many will administer it everyday (ED) to every other day (EOD). If it is being used everyday most bodybuilders will use .25mg to 1mg, and if used EOD .5mg to 1mg is the recommended dose. This will vary if you are using other anti-estrogens while using the Arimidex, and also the amount you are willing to use due to the cost of the drug.

Femara has very similar characteristics as Arimidex, but some believe that it is more effective at estrogen control. Most users report no water retention what so ever while using this drug, and in some studies it is shown to slightly raise IGF-1 levels, unlike a drug like Nolvadex, which has been shown to decrease them slightly. The normal dose for Femara is 2.5mg ED to every third day during cycle and also during post cycle recovery periods.

Nolvadex

Novadex is usually employed during cycles of Anabolic/Androgenic steroid cycles due to the fact that the hormone estrogen will become elevated from the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. When this problem arises many male bodybuilders will use Nolvadex to combat feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia, increased fat deposition, and also high levels of water retention.

For the most part though, Nolvadex is used to prevent gynecomastia build up. This is because Nolvadex acts on the estrogen receptors of the effected body tissue, so in turn it will prevent the bonding on the estrogen hormone to the receptor on the tissue.

Unlike Arimidex and Femara, Nolvadex does not act as an anti-aromatize drug, but rather acts as an estrogen antagonist. This drug will not prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. It will only fight it at the receptor level. This right here goes to show why drugs like Arimidex and Femara are far more superior drugs to use during a cycle than Nolvadex.

Nolvadex is a very effective drug to use when discontinuing your steroid cycle due to the fact that it will help reduce the side effects from the elevated levels of estrogen in your body. When you come of steroids the relationship between the levels of testosterone compared to estrogen become "out of whack" so to speak.

Since you have discontinued the steroids your testosterone levels will become severely reduced, which in turn will raise your estrogen levels to become the dominant hormone in your system. This is a very good time to use a drug such as Nolvadex to combat this problem.

Doses of Nolvadex should range from 20mg.-40mg. Per day. If you are using it post cycle without a drug such as Arimidex I would suggest using 40mg. ED to EOD. If you are using it during your cycle for gynecomastia prevention 20mg. ED should suffice. Prices of this drug are usually fairly reasonable compared to Arimidex or Femara, but I still feel Nolvadex doesn't compare to drugs such as Arimidex or Femara.

Proviron

Proviron is a strange drug due to the fact that it has many different uses in the bodybuilding world. In this article the main feature I will discuss is its effective properties as an anti-estrogen during a steroid cycle.

Proviron is used during a cycle of steroids because it acts as an anti-estrogen in that due to the drug's unique structure it has a higher affinity to the aromatize enzyme than testosterone, but at the same time it does not convert to estrogen.

This in turn means that if you administer Proviron with testosterone, Proviron will bind to the aromatize enzyme very strongly, which will not allow the testosterone to convert to estrogen and bind with the receptor. This will prevent the usual estrogen build up seen with testosterone like compounds.

Due to Proviron's mechanism of action, using steroids and employing Proviron will prevent the estrogenic side effects and water retention seen while using some of the more androgenic steroids. It has also been noted that Proviron will increase levels of testosterone during a cycle. The mechanism of action for this effect is difficult to explain, but it allows for more of the synthetic testosterone employed during your cycle to be used more efficiently, and not be converted to the hormone estrogen.

Proviron is seen to be effective at dosages from 25mg all the way up to 150mg. For the reasons discussed in this article 25mg to 50mg ED is sufficient for its purpose. Another aspect worth mentioning is that Proviron should not be used post cycle. Proviron should only be used during a cycle because it is an androgen, and when coming of Proviron you could experience some negative effects with your body's natural testosterone levels.

The cost of this drug is very reasonable, so it could be a good addition to your next cycle to prevent estrogen build up.

Testosterone Stimulants

(Clomid, HCG)

Clomid

Clomid is using in the bodybuilding community as a testosterone stimulant. This drug is used when you end a cycle of steroids to help bring your natural levels of testosterone back up to normal. Clomid's mechanism of action occurs through the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis (HPTA).

Clomid is used to stimulate the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. By doing this, the result is an elevated endogenous (body's own) testosterone level. Needless to say this is a very important aspect when coming off a cycle of steroids and should always be employed to bring your testosterone levels back up to normal.

Clomid is usually used once you finish a cycle of steroids, and it is employed for the 2-3 weeks following it. The recommended dose of Clomid is 50mg to 100mg ED, although some will opt to do a high front load (200mg+) on the first day and continue to taper down as the days go on.

 

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