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    Quote Originally Posted by El Freako View Post
    Well I believe you on the presses now Max but I can't say I'm impressed by the squats. You really need to get down to parallel or below. ATG is where its at!
    But then he'd have to squat lighter, like half that weight


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post

    Turkish is a genetic freak and was easy to guide him to a show. Max on the other hand isnt.
    No he is not. Phil Heath, Ronnie Coleman and the likes are genetic freaks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tim290280 View Post
    But then he'd have to squat lighter, like half that weight
    ZOMG! Oh the humanity!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post
    Turkish is a genetic freak and was easy to guide him to a show. Max on the other hand isnt.
    I am very offended by this statement.

    I can say Turk probably easily has more dedication than anyone on this forum, including Phil Heath. If anyone knows that, I do, because I stayed with him while he was dieting and he's always just as dedicated in his offseason. He eats, sleeps, and lives bodybuilding. We often have conversations that last several hours, where the only thing we speak of is his diet, EVEN IN HIS OFFSEASON.

    Now for you to make it sound like he's just some genetic freak who doesn't need cardio nor planning to get lean, makes me furious. Maybe he is a genetic freak, but how would you know? Because he looked better than Max ever has? We both knew every calorie going into his body leading up to the show, whether you're talking about a cup of oatmeal or a stick of sugar-free gum.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex View Post
    I am very offended by this statement.

    I can say Turk probably easily has more dedication than anyone on this forum, including Phil Heath. If anyone knows that, I do, because I stayed with him while he was dieting and he's always just as dedicated in his offseason. He eats, sleeps, and lives bodybuilding. We often have conversations that last several hours, where the only thing we speak of is his diet, EVEN IN HIS OFFSEASON.

    Now for you to make it sound like he's just some genetic freak who doesn't need cardio to get lean, makes me furious. We both knew every calorie going into his body leading up to the show, whether you're talking about a cup of oatmeal or a stick of sugar-free gum.
    OMG... You guys on here love making an argument about everything. Im not the only one to have stated this before. I know for a fact people have stated countless times about what he was born with YET when I say it people start flipping out. I even said the post after this that he has worked very hard but he does have great genetics. Ive never see anyone in there first show look as good as him except for national level bodybuilder. People on here are starting to make me angry. You guys love turning every statement some says into a huge arguement. If you would have taken the time to read my next post you probally would have never made this one. Im sick of people jumping to conclusions without reading everything someone says.




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    ^ For everyone else science isnt always the answer :dunnodude: As ive stated before max has done HIIT cardio while dieting and never came in shape so why would him doing it now be any different?


    Also why am i getting shit for all of this. I am one of the only peopel on here that is positive with max and gives him something to work with (You may agree with what I say or not). Ive been on the palumbo diet and actually performed the low intensity cardio with great results. Has everyone on here done the Palumbo diet before? Probally not.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post
    OMG... You guys on here love making an argument about everything. Im not the only one to have stated this before. I know for a fact people have stated countless times about what he was born with YET when I say it people start flipping out. I even said the post after this that he has worked very hard but he does have great genetics. Ive never see anyone in there first show look as good as him except for national level bodybuilder. People on here are starting to make me angry. You guys love turning every statement some says into a huge arguement. If you would have taken the time to read my next post you probally would have never made this one. Im sick of people jumping to conclusions without reading everything someone says.
    I'm not making an argument, I'm telling you that it's ridiculous for you to use the word "easy."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post
    Im not the only one to have stated this before. I know for a fact people have stated countless times about what he was born with YET when I say it people start flipping out. I even said the post after this that he has worked very hard but he does have great genetics. Ive never see anyone in there first show look as good as him except for national level bodybuilder.
    Could it be that the reason Turkish came in shape is due to him sticking to his diet, a diet that was spot on for him, being dedicated all the way through, doing his cardio and so on?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo View Post
    Could it be that the reason Turkish came in shape is due to him sticking to his diet, a diet that was spot on for him, being dedicated all the way through, doing his cardio and so on?
    I never said it wasnt. There is what ive just stated. Everyone tries to make an arguement out of everything. I never said once this wasnt why but yet you still try to make an arguement out of it :angrydude:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post
    I never said it wasnt. There is what ive just stated. Everyone tries to make an arguement out of everything. I never said once this wasnt why but yet you still try to make an arguement out of it :angrydude:
    I'm not making an argument out of this but this is a discussion forum like it or not.

    The only thing I didn't like about your post was that you claimed Turkish was a genetic freak when he is in fact not.

    Everybody can come in shredded as long as they are willing to do work for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post
    I never said it wasnt. There is what ive just stated. Everyone tries to make an arguement out of everything. I never said once this wasnt why but yet you still try to make an arguement out of it :angrydude:
    First off, this forum is not nearly as dramatic as most others (not including the politics section)

    Second, I found it offending to say the weeks we worked our asses off planning was easy just by seeing his progress pictures.

    Now please settle the fuck down, I won't hold a grudge against you. Just please watch what you type around here.




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    Im going to bed this si pissing me off. Ive never heard of getting so much shit for helping someone who gets shit for not following something to a T yet you guys are telling him to deviate.

    Im the only one on here that is truly helping max on everything he needs cause no one else does and now I get bitched at.




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    And now this thread is in need of an epic clean up...

    Poor Max, where he walks, controversy follows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyk212000 View Post
    Im going to bed this si pissing me off. Ive never heard of getting so much shit for helping someone who gets shit for not following something to a T yet you guys are telling him to deviate.

    Im the only one on here that is truly helping max on everything he needs cause no one else does and now I get bitched at.
    I think it's great what you're doing for Max, however we all tried to help Max at some point. Most people here just see it as a lost cause.

    That's besides the point, what most people here agree on is that Max needs higher intensity cardio. Judging by pictures, Max has never been below 12% bodyfat even through his "extreme" dieting. If he really has kept a strict diet in the past and it failed that badly, then he without question needs to step it up in the cardio department. Walking 2 miles per hour isn't going to cut it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex View Post
    I am very offended by this statement.

    I can say Turk probably easily has more dedication than anyone on this forum, including Phil Heath. If anyone knows that, I do, because I stayed with him while he was dieting and he's always just as dedicated in his offseason. He eats, sleeps, and lives bodybuilding. We often have conversations that last several hours, where the only thing we speak of is his diet, EVEN IN HIS OFFSEASON.

    Now for you to make it sound like he's just some genetic freak who doesn't need cardio nor planning to get lean, makes me furious. Maybe he is a genetic freak, but how would you know? Because he looked better than Max ever has? We both knew every calorie going into his body leading up to the show, whether you're talking about a cup of oatmeal or a stick of sugar-free gum.

    And i am very offended by this statement. that i highlighted


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    Quote Originally Posted by DriDDeRz View Post
    And i am very offended by this statement. that i highlighted
    Sorry, I thought Pain banned you when I asked him to. Everyone except Dridderz.

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    There, there Dridz...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex View Post
    Sorry, I thought Pain banned you when I asked him to. Everyone except Dridderz.

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    pain wouldnt bann me


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