Dexter Jackson Mr.Olympia 2008?

[Cutsjr]

I have plenty of knowledge. The judges don't go by who's best at the Olympia. Deal with it.

They sure do, get your front row seat and rule book and you'll see.

 

[pGhi]

I love his ABS

 

[Line]

They sure do, get your front row seat and rule book and you'll see.

Your bias is showing.

 

[Beau]

Your bias is showing.

Its true to an extent though....i've never been to the Olympia but pictures never show you everything....i found that out when i was at the Arnold this year. Phil IMO had the show....then you see pics and it doesnt do justice. So much different seeing these guys up close then judging from pics

 

[Cutsjr]

Your bias is showing.

Everyone is a little bias on here, but I did talk to an IFBB Judge following the Olympia and Arnold. In the O Vic faded as the posing went on and Jay got better, so Vic was in fact winning at one point. In the Arnold, Dex had a more mature muscle look to him with a little more thickness. I had the process explained to me by an IFBB judge that was at both events judging, so my bias has nothing to do with it.

 

[Braaq]

Everyone is a little bias on here, but I did talk to an IFBB Judge following the Olympia and Arnold. In the O Vic faded as the posing went on and Jay got better, so Vic was in fact winning at one point. In the Arnold, Dex had a more mature muscle look to him with a little more thickness. I had the process explained to me by an IFBB judge that was at both events judging, so my bias has nothing to do with it.

If that is the case then ask the IFBB judge you talked to why the same reward (the Mr. O title) was not given to Ronnie in 06' when he got better throughout the night and Jay faded a bit??? It's because, whether we want to admit it or not, the politics in our sport is quite prevalent.

 

[Line]

Its true to an extent though....i've never been to the Olympia but pictures never show you everything....i found that out when i was at the Arnold this year. Phil IMO had the show....then you see pics and it doesnt do justice. So much different seeing these guys up close then judging from pics

I'm not speaking of the differences in seeing a muscle belly or a physique move in person as opposed to pictures but of a generally accepted theory that the Olympia caters to heavier bodybuilders and past names and champions. To say the best physiques win just because the judges have good seats is silly. They are forced to make decisions at far too rapid a pace and most of them do not have a proper system in place in terms of mentally sorting the quality of athletes in enough time. The ridiculous notion of "so-and-so won 5 out of 8 poses so they're the best bodybuilder" isn't the way a show should be judged and I truly hope that's not what they fall back on because that was not purported principals behind making them mandatory in the first place.

 

[Cutsjr]

If that is the case then ask the IFBB judge you talked to why the same reward (the Mr. O title) was not given to Ronnie in 06' when he got better throughout the night and Jay faded a bit??? It's because, whether we want to admit it or not, the politics in our sport is quite prevalent.

Jay did not fade in 06, he tightened up, the same as did Ronnie that night. Jay was just dialed in better from the start. I agree at the 07 that Vic had it in the beginning, but as I said the IFBB judge clarified things for me that the pics and webcast did not. Although we don't all agree with the rules, they are what they are at this point in time.

 

[Line]

Everyone is a little bias on here, but I did talk to an IFBB Judge following the Olympia and Arnold. In the O Vic faded as the posing went on and Jay got better, so Vic was in fact winning at one point.

This is not how shows are judged. Either you misunderstood him, he explained the process poorly, or one of the two of you are an idiot.

 

[Cutsjr]

Maybe your the Idiot not understanding. As the posing went on Jay got better(lost the fluid he was retaining), and Vic got worse(flattened out). And yes, the shows are judged this way, that is why it is a two day show, Prejudging and Final Judging. Are you an IFBB Pro Judge? No, didn't think so, but good try. Do you understand now? If you can't be mature without the name calling, don't bother responding.

 

[Tappi]

Maybe your the Idiot not understanding. As the posing went on Jay got better(lost the fluid he was retaining), and Vic got worse(flattened out). And yes, the shows are judged this way, that is why it is a two day show, Prejudging and Final Judging. Are you an IFBB Pro Judge? No, didn't think so, but good try. Do you understand now? If you can't be mature without the name calling, don't bother responding.

At my part I dont know how its judged... BUT you are crying to everyone that "you eint IFBB judge so you dont know how its judged" so ARE YOU ifbb judge? You seem to know how the thing is done, so put up the picture of your judge card... And I think you are just getting mad because we /and everyone else are thinkin Victor was way better than Jay...

 

[Cutsjr]

At my part I dont know how its judged... BUT you are crying to everyone that "you eint IFBB judge so you dont know how its judged" so ARE YOU ifbb judge? You seem to know how the thing is done, so put up the picture of your judge card... And I think you are just getting mad because we /and everyone else are thinkin Victor was way better than Jay...

I could care less who you or anyone else thinks is better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You guys are still wining cuz Vic did not win. Yes, in the beginning of the O Vic was better, but he was not by end of it. That's the bottom line. Get over it.

 

[Line]

Maybe your the Idiot not understanding. As the posing went on Jay got better(lost the fluid he was retaining), and Vic got worse(flattened out). And yes, the shows are judged this way, that is why it is a two day show, Prejudging and Final Judging. Are you an IFBB Pro Judge? No, didn't think so, but good try. Do you understand now? If you can't be mature without the name calling, don't bother responding.

I referred to you or the judge possibly being an idiot as a viable option as to how things are explained. Don't patronize me if you can't understand context.

Regardless, the scoring for the shows are done in an instance at the conclusion of each round, not while the athletes are actually partaking in them. The judges may, and hopefully do, make notes and scribbles as to how they see things but because no scores are awarded Victor was never actually winning the show. Technically he can be "ahead" in the minds of a judge but such a sentiment is meaningless and has no official "by the book" backing to it. This mental construct might have been how the judge you talked to felt but it certainly wasn't in accordance the actual scores that were passed down.

The idea that, throughout prejudging, either Jay got significantly better or Victor worse is a laughable notion. The primary issue with the faulty judging at the 2007 Olympia is that of the prejudging scores. Yes, we as fans are absent of luxuries such as front and center seats but through video feeds and high resolution pictures we can also be determinant in our decisions. Cutler improved a great deal between prejudging and the evening show but that's a moot point as he was still soft on Friday, the day of contention.

 

[Tonka]

Jay Will win this year again i bet.

 

[Ironslave]

As the posing went on Jay got better(lost the fluid he was retaining), and Vic got worse(flattened out). And yes, the shows are judged this way, that is why it is a two day show, Prejudging and Final Judging. Are you an IFBB Pro Judge? No, didn't think so, but good try. Do you understand now? If you can't be mature without the name calling, don't bother responding.

I agree with this, but Line is 100% correct about the pre-judging. Having Jay ahead of Vic after the prejudging is just laughable, and that is when the show is supposed to be decided (unless something drastic happens). The night show is mostly supposed to be for fan entertainment purposes, and to present awards. Jay improved, but not drastic enough, Vic was still better and he got screwed last year.

To the original thread, I still think Jay will win this year, with Wolf being his main competition. If Wolf thickens up his back and hamstrings especially, his far superior structure should beat Jay.

 

[animalkja]

I will be very upset if dexter becomes mr o. He doesnt have the size at all i see the big bad wolf dennis or if victor competes ill have to see he will win. He wont come int o the o unless he thinks he can win it qand he looked pretty good at the arnold. Jay i dont think should have been mr o last year i think his time is over

 

[hook3]

i dont think that Jay will win this year he would have to be a lot better this coming O considering he maybe shouldnt have even won the last one but politics is a huge part and since he said this will be his last one it could be a powerplay

 

[tin1]

there is no way the weider empire would let (kai) an ex porn star win their golden event. Its not about who deserves to win its about who will sell the most magazines and supplements after winning. Its just a money thing and the goose who can lay the biggest golden egg for the weiders will be crownd.

 

[wrestling lyon]

I voted no
I have Dex coming in at third

 

[Line]

there is no way the weider empire would let (kai) an ex porn star win their golden event. Its not about who deserves to win its about who will sell the most magazines and supplements after winning. Its just a money thing and the goose who can lay the biggest golden egg for the weiders will be crownd.

Kai was never a "porn star" and you're thinking in overly simplistic terms as a whole. That's not to say that there isn't a marketing derived influence on the judging but it's hardly as pertinent as you claim it to be.