Official MMA News/Discussion Thread

[onebigeric]

^^Nice find, JS Fedor is pretty humble and likeable, and I always enjoy that he's straightforward in voicing his opinion. I think this M-1 decision was a little iffy, but if his manager can actually wrangle it into a come-one-come-all setup it'll validate it for sure.

I'm getting 50/50 reports on Chuck's training for his upcoming bout. I'm done with wondering; I'll just see which Liddell shows up.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

M-1 IS Fedors management...them and Fedor have been ducking fighters for years apparently

 

[onebigeric]

^^That's what made it iffy for me. Finkelstein, or something like that, ya? Ducking fighters? That would suck if it goes back far enough. I know a lot of fighters will do that from time to time, but to create an org with the specific intent to do so would be awful.

 

[Kanav]

man cc, i cant believe you actually think fedor is a pussy.

Have you seen the man fight? or for that matter, seen WHOM hes fought? Sure choi is a joke fight, but fedors no pussy. Theres a reason everyone considers him number 1 (except dana white ofcourse)

 

[CaptainCharisma]

fedor and his management ducked tim sylvia and josh barnett, and admitted it, for sylvia the management said he was a too dangerous opponent for fedor and fedor refused to fight josh cause he said they were friends, but on the other hand josh is ready to fight fedor at anytime...im not saying hes a shitty fighter or anything, hes got great skill, but he hasnt fought anyone worth a damn in his actual weight class since cro cop...it seems he has more freak matchups/can fights than actual title defences reccently

who has he fought since Cro Cop? Zulu (freak fight), Coleman (even though i hate to admit it, Shamrock-esque way over the hill), Hunt (superheavy not a heavy) Lindland (middleweight not a heavy)

i mean say what you want, but gassing Fedor anymore is pointless, he hasnt fougt anyone in his weight class since cro cop and that was almost 2 years ago

i dont know what fedor is now, but hes not the same guy, people have to realise that the fedor whos ass they kiss was from 2005...almost 3 years ago

 

[Kanav]

fedor and his management ducked tim sylvia and josh barnett, and admitted it, for sylvia the management said he was a too dangerous opponent for fedor and fedor refused to fight josh cause he said they were friends, but on the other hand josh is ready to fight fedor at anytime...im not saying hes a shitty fighter or anything, hes got great skill, but he hasnt fought anyone worth a damn in his actual weight class since cro cop...it seems he has more freak matchups/can fights than actual title defences reccently

who has he fought since Cro Cop? Zulu (freak fight), Coleman (even though i hate to admit it, Shamrock-esque way over the hill), Hunt (superheavy not a heavy) Lindland (middleweight not a heavy)

i mean say what you want, but gassing Fedor anymore is pointless, he hasnt fougt anyone in his weight class since cro cop and that was almost 2 years ago

i dont know what fedor is now, but hes not the same guy, people have to realise that the fedor whos ass they kiss was from 2005...almost 3 years ago

Honestly, do you believe if tim silvia was put onto the table for fedor and the stipulations were right, he would refuse to fight the stainiac? Silvia is not even in fedors league. Id like to see the barnett/fedor fight, but to me it would be a fight that validates barnett, and not fedor. Because everyone expects fedor to do what he does best. Because this IS a buisness, he has to handle himself as a buisnessman like everyone else would. I've yet to see anyone who can really give him a run for his money. And as much as I like randy, I think if they ever got over the legal situation and actually fought, fedor would come out on top.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

you know i dislike sylvia as much as anyone else, but if you seriously think that sylvia's style of fighting would not give fedor a challenge, then ur love for fedor is blinding you

 

[CaptainCharisma]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=10406

couture could fight fedor in october

 

[Kanav]

you know i dislike sylvia as much as anyone else, but if you seriously think that sylvia's style of fighting would not give fedor a challenge, then ur love for fedor is blinding you

what style? Lay and pray? Randy full dismantled him and to be honest, silvia comes very heavy with luck. Which is why I pray that somehow the ufc has a tournament for the HW title. See exactly where his luck runs out.

While I admit that fedor is still human at the end of the day and can still very well lose to a top tier fighter if he makes a mistake, its yet to happen.

but on the flip side, now that randy is willing to switch to m-1 to fight fedor, and with arlovski and barnett seriously considering it as well, we'll definitly see some interesting fights for fedor this coming year.

 

[JS316]

what style? Lay and pray? Randy full dismantled him and to be honest, silvia comes very heavy with luck. Which is why I pray that somehow the ufc has a tournament for the HW title. See exactly where his luck runs out.

While I admit that fedor is still human at the end of the day and can still very well lose to a top tier fighter if he makes a mistake, its yet to happen.

but on the flip side, now that randy is willing to switch to m-1 to fight fedor, and with arlovski and barnett seriously considering it as well, we'll definitly see some interesting fights for fedor this coming year.

Tim doesn't Lay and prey bro.. he stands and jabs and wins by boring decision.
In fairness... he's very affective at it and has great defense on the ground.

I agree with u in saying Fedor is not over rated.. I've never heard of him ducking fights.. so was disappointed to hear this. Still I really think he would beat Randy,Tim and Barnett... just my opinion.

 

[onebigeric]

I just watched the Sakuraba/Royce K-1 bout again; I'd forgotten how flat out awful the decision was. If we're on the subject of jobber/can fights and extremely dubious draws/decisions, Royce Gracie reigns supreme in that department

 

[Kanav]

Tim doesn't Lay and prey bro.. he stands and jabs and wins by boring decision.
In fairness... he's very affective at it and has great defense on the ground.

I agree with u in saying Fedor is not over rated.. I've never heard of him ducking fights.. so was disappointed to hear this. Still I really think he would beat Randy,Tim and Barnett... just my opinion.

Hes not ducking fights. When ur number 1 people bitch about u not fighting so and so, so u must be ducking them. People thought fedor was ducking crocop, hunt, lindland, etc. We know how that turned out, hes more than proven himself, and he doesnt really owe anyone shit now. He didnt sign with the ufc for several reasons (most of which everyone already knows), not because hes a pussy.

To me if barnett and other top tier guys get a chance, it will be great fights, but they dont validate, (atleast to me) fedor being number 1, because he always has been

 

[onebigeric]

^^My only concern with Fedor is stagnation; his lack of active competition as of late could allow other fighters pass him up. I know from experience that fighting and training to fight are two completely different things; going without builds up rust, no matter who you are. He'll walk through Choi, but I really hope he starts lining himself up some serious quality opponents in the near future.

I just don't want him to develop Royce syndrome; huge impact followed by a slow and miserable death. Gracie hasn't had a decent fight since his bout with Sakuraba in 2000. Yoshida and Tokoro should've been losses(kind of like his second fight with Shamrock), Akebono[Rowan] was a joke, he was massacred by Hughes, and his recent decision over Kazushi was another shameful charade. I don't want to see Fedor's management and the judges do ridiculous things to try and preserve his image in the face of declining abilities.

 

[onebigeric]

Ahahahahahahahaha

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/12/17/karo-parisyan-discusses-possible-april-fight-date-womens-mma-on-inside-mma/



I've never liked Karo [aka title whiner/worst fight of the year winner] much, and this interview is a shining reason why. Addicted to contradiction

 

[JS316]

^^haha.. He must start thinking before he speaks.. Karo came off as a dick on TUF also. Give him a fight against Nate Diaz... that would have some bad blood.

Sorry but i'm a Royce fan OBE.. I had him beating Yoshida in the rematch.

 

[onebigeric]

Seeing he and Diaz would be a dream come true

No need to apologize at all, JS I know I've posted up my opinions on Royce before, but watching that K-1 Dynamite bout just made me want to sound off for some dumb reason.

IMO and for a quick summary Royce is a brilliant BJJ practitioner, and an average MMA competitor. I guess I take exception to him making ludicrous amounts of money to fight once a year, all because he made a stir thirteen years ago (there are a lot of fighters just as good now that get so much less...); pair that with his measley almost-a-slap-on-the-wrist for doping positive against Sakuraba and my colored perception becomes a little more so.

Then you have someone like Tank

 

[JS316]

Seeing he and Diaz would be a dream come true

No need to apologize at all, JS I know I've posted up my opinions on Royce before, but watching that K-1 Dynamite bout just made me want to sound off for some dumb reason.

IMO and for a quick summary Royce is a brilliant BJJ practitioner, and an average MMA competitor. I guess I take exception to him making ludicrous amounts of money to fight once a year, all because he made a stir thirteen years ago (there are a lot of fighters just as good now that get so much less...); pair that with his measley almost-a-slap-on-the-wrist for doping positive against Sakuraba and my colored perception becomes a little more so.

Then you have someone like Tank

Have you ever heard people say "We are smarter than Einstein." because everything he knew we know now, plus everything else we have learnt."

Well I believe the same applies for Royce. Maybe he didn't invent BJJ but he brought it to the masses. (like me).
People are better fighters today because of him.

My actual favourite Gracie is Rickson though... that guy was miles before his time. Has anyone seen the documentary 'Choke?'

 

[onebigeric]

^^We're of the same mind on this matter for sure It's similar to Mayweather claiming he's greater than Ali; generation-hopping like that is pointless.

I truly have a great amount of respect for Royce for bringing BJJ to the rest of the world (I'm in that category right along with you); looking back at the genesis of MMA, the guys they scraped up for the most part were comical. I think there were as many self-professed ninjitsu stylists as there were anything else Men like Royce and Shamrock provided the proverbial bucket of cold water to MMA itself, in that it was time to wise up on the ground game.

My opinion of his ability as a true MMA fighter is just a little different. My only real beef comes in when judges swing decisions his way based on his history and name, the same way it does with any venerable MMA competitor who receives a similar gift.

Rickson was way before his time, just as you said He was incredible, and Choke was a great documentary. Makes me want to see it again. What's his record again? Something like 420-0, with beating something like eighteen opponents in one day? Freaking amazing.

 

[JS316]

Yeah thats true, his wins were against a bunch of bar room brawlers.. his best wins were against Sevren and Kimo.. and yeah Ricksons record is awesome, not sure how well documented each win was.. there are rumours questioning the validity of each win, but hey.. he's definately a legend.

How bout this? Shamrock vs Shamrock..?

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/12/19/gary...hamrock-fight/

Elite XC dont get the most skilled fighters, but they do put together some fights that people will pay to see.
We may see a Tank vs Kimbo..

 

[onebigeric]

Those BJJ records are a little dodgy, which is a little humorous to me. In the early days of the introduction of Gracie JiuJitsu, Royce made a point of showing practitioners of his family's art decimating people with self-declared gigantic records in arts like karate, kung fu, and ninjitsu Yet there are more BJJ artists that tote those mega-records today than anyone else

"File not found"...bummer, although I believe I know what you're referring to. The IFL made noise of pairing Ken up against Frank, but aside from Ken's team decimating his brother's nothing ever happened. If the two were to lock up, as much of a Ken freak/fan that I am, I'd have to give the edge to Frank. His striking was lethal (both in power and accuracy) against Baroni, and his ground game doesn't look to have suffered at all over the years. Ken's sun has unfortunately set; being a mega fan of his it sucks to admit the facts, but it is what it is.


If EliteXC can put that together, then power to them. It's good to see another org with some money to toss around, but Kimbo/Tank would be a shameless tuna can fight...that I'd probably watch