Rumor: Jay Cutler is going to Retire after the India Sheru Classic?

[mvsf1]

Re: And here is the quick response of "Cuts"

And here is the quick response of "Cuts"

I didn't expect that! Yeah, better bring a BIGGER package. Phil beats you in aesthethics, let's play the mass game again. If you compete dry as hell at 275-280 Phil won't be Mr Olympia in 2012.

 

[Flex]

He's probably not retiring because of his endorsements and MD contract.

He needs to come in bigger and fuller if he wants a chance of topping Heath again. Hopefully we don't see an "07 Ronnie Coleman" and he comes in placing out of the top 3.

 

[Workingroup]

Jay Cutler annoucement:
"For everyone who keeps asking if I'm retired I assure you I'm coming back with something bigger and better than ever! 2012 will be epic."

- Jay Cutler via Twitter

 

[mvsf1]

He's probably not retiring because of his endorsements and MD contract.

He needs to come in bigger and fuller if he wants a chance of topping Heath again. Hopefully we don't see an "07 Ronnie Coleman" and he comes in placing out of the top 3.

Yes, I agree. Anyway, I don't think we'll see a 2007 ROnnie Coleman, Cutler is not injured and his show this year is probably the 90-95% of his all-time best. Ronnie wasn't at 2006.

 

[oldez]

Yes, I agree. Anyway, I don't think we'll see a 2007 ROnnie Coleman, Cutler is not injured and his show this year is probably the 90-95% of his all-time best. Ronnie wasn't at 2006.

What about the bicep injury, what about his atrophied delt and quad? If you look at these pictures from 2008 to 2011 you can clearly see that he has been losing mass on his lower lats each year.

The guy is getting old. There are not going to be anymore improvements. The only thing he can try and do is not get any worse and try to come in conditioned. He always says he is going to be better than before but for the last 5 years he has been getting worse.

 

[Natzo]

^^

Actually till 09 he has been coming better each year..

 

[Natzo]

^^

Actually till 09 he has been coming better each year..

and his hair is improving also

 

[mvsf1]

I don't think Cutler is smaller than in 2006. In fact he's bigger and his conditioning is spot on. His abs didn't look so well since he was an amateur. No distention at all. Of course he can't make dramatic improvements, he's 37 or so, but he needs to play the size game again. He only can regain his crown being MUCH bigger than Phil Heath. The Gift's it's better in aesthethic and taper department, so Cutler must play his game: MASS.

 

[oldez]

I don't think Cutler is smaller than in 2006. In fact he's bigger and his conditioning is spot on. His abs didn't look so well since he was an amateur. No distention at all. Of course he can't make dramatic improvements, he's 37 or so, but he needs to play the size game again. He only can regain his crown being MUCH bigger than Phil Heath. The Gift's it's better in aesthethic and taper department, so Cutler must play his game: MASS.

Jay is now 38. He'll be 39 on the next Olympia. He is getting too old to gain more mass.

Here is what wrote about Vic on another thread. A lot of it goes for Jay as well.

Remember that Vic is older than Jay. He is not a young guy anymore. Next year he'll be 39. It is questionable if there is room for improvements at that age. Sure he can do what Dex and Toney have done for years. That is to bring the same package everytime, but no improvements. If he wants to be competetive the only thing he can do is to come in ripped.

There really are no bodybuilders who have peaked after 35. Sure Ronnie was still competetive after 35, but personally I think Ronnie looked better when he was 35 than when he was 39. Sure he was fricking huge, but he also had a huge midsection. Jay looked better in his early thirties than now. Dexter Jacson peaked about five-six years ago if not earlier. Personally I think that we have seen the best of Branch Warren two years ago. Markus Ruhl peaked before he was 35.

When you consider that there are guys like Phil and Wolf who are in their early thirties (Phil 31 and Wolf 32) and making improvements it is not sure if Vic(Jay) can challenge them. I just think we have already seen the best what Vic(Jay) has to offer. That injury just came at a very bad time. **** happens.

Look at Dexter 12 years ago. I think he looked better back then than when he won the Olympia in 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JAEFas_pQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Y_3zjn5p4

 

[COACH]

Jay will make a change of strategy!
And that weight will be less .. so will have better lines!
I do not think he can repeat the mass-gain this year again!
He knows that's a handycap against itself!

 

[COACH]

Epic Pics!!

 

[Flex]

I agree that Jay's back is not what it was a few years ago. He saw a ton of improvements in his back around 2005, and his back-double-bi even hung with a healthy Ronnie Coleman that year. It continued to look big and thick for a few years there, then somewhere around 2008 or 2009 it looked like he lost half his thickness. I think he got injured somehow.

 

[oldez]

Jay will make a change of strategy!
And that weight will be less .. so will have better lines!
I do not think he can repeat the mass-gain this year again!
He knows that's a handycap against itself!

Great pics.. What year was that? 2001? Who still claims that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago?

 

[oldez]

I agree that Jay's back is not what it was a few years ago. He saw a ton of improvements in his back around 2005, and his back-double-bi even hung with a healthy Ronnie Coleman that year. It continued to look big and thick for a few years there, then somewhere around 2008 or 2009 it looked like he lost half his thickness. I think he got injured somehow.

Mass gains come at a cost.

 

[COACH]

Great pics.. What year was that? 2001? Who still claims that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago?

..2001 ..Jay in that Olympia was very dangerous!!

 

[Flex]

Great pics.. What year was that? 2001? Who still claims that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago?

I don't think anyone would argue that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago.

But on stage, Jay Cutler in 2009 WOULD beat Jay Cutler in 2001.

 

[dilatedmuscle]

I don't think anyone would argue that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago.

But on stage, Jay Cutler in 2009 WOULD beat Jay Cutler in 2001.

I feel the same way.

 

[COACH]

I feel the same way.

I don't think anyone would argue that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago.

But on stage, Jay Cutler in 2009 WOULD beat Jay Cutler in 2001.

..We R Three on the same bus! .. :grouphug - not mine

 

[dilatedmuscle]

lemme touch it

 

[oldez]

I don't think anyone would argue that Jay looks better now than 10 years ago.

But on stage, Jay Cutler in 2009 WOULD beat Jay Cutler in 2001.

Yes he would, but Jay is getting worse every year. The only thing that he has managed to improve is his conditioning, which was real crap to begin with. Phil on the other hand has been spot on with his conditiong and is still making improvements. That is why Jay just cannot beat Phil anymore. He no longer has the huge advantage on mass which got him those Olympias.