What is going on between Israel and Gaza?

[Braaq]

I think that this can be agreed upon for sure, though it's just that Israel gets painted as the "innocent victims" in mainstream news. I also think that in those who condemn Israel, there's resentment because Israel is much more powerful and able to inflict much more damage (casualties), and be much more aggressive because they have the resources to do so.

I agree, but then you have to think about their situation as a whole. They are surrounded by countries that want them wiped off the face of the planet. They do not seem to want to cooperate or coexist with Israel so they have to instill fear, fear of what can happen if they are ever attacked. Although I would say the Six Day War pretty much did that, now it is just militant groups.
However I agree, about how it is depicted on the news. I don't see how they are doing it this time with only 4 Israeli's dead and almost 600 Palestinians right now :wutyousay:

 

[Duality]

I agree, but then you have to think about their situation as a whole. They are surrounded by countries that want them wiped off the face of the planet. They do not seem to want to cooperate or coexist with Israel so they have to instill fear, fear of what can happen if they are ever attacked. Although I would say the Six Day War pretty much did that, now it is just militant groups.
However I agree, about how it is depicted on the news. I don't see how they are doing it this time with only 4 Israeli's dead and almost 600 Palestinians right now :wutyousay:

i like how blake gives the facts and isn't anti american in doing so.

 

[Line]

i like how blake gives the facts and isn't anti american in doing so.

 

[Braaq]

.... wtf?? :wutyousay:

 

[Duality]

.... wtf?? :wutyousay:

lol hulk hogan is a good ol' american boy and i think that's what he's relating you too.

 

[Pioneer]

I didn't mean to sound so biast but was just trying to show sexnews there's more than one side to the story and if he doesn't seem to understand why these people some times blow themselves up and launch rockets etc is due the fact that they have nothing, and after all they have been through they have in some sense lost hope in life. Also add the fact that their lives in the eyes of the western world are meaningless. 1 Israeli life = 10,000 Palestinian lives in the eyes of the western world (media).

And about the land stealing I was more referring to the land stolen after Israel was magically created (lol). Look at the orginal map of that area after the UN Resolution and look at the map of Israel today, the sad thing is the rest of the world just accepts the land Israel steals as part of Israel and official world maps update themselves with this stolen land.

And as IS stated you are completly correct in saying both sides are too blame, my main point was to try explain to sexnews and hopefully make him see why the people in that area do what they do. Although Palestine does take alot of actions to make the situation worse and this cannot be denied but to ignore what Israel does/ has done is wrong and that is what the western world media is doing.

 

[Adam23]

I didn't mean to sound so biast but was just trying to show sexnews there's more than one side to the story and if he doesn't seem to understand why these people some times blow themselves up and launch rockets etc is due the fact that they have nothing, and after all they have been through they have in some sense lost hope in life. Also add the fact that their lives in the eyes of the western world are meaningless. 1 Israeli life = 10,000 Palestinian lives in the eyes of the western world (media).

And about the land stealing I was more referring to the land stolen after Israel was magically created (lol). Look at the orginal map of that area after the UN Resolution and look at the map of Israel today, the sad thing is the rest of the world just accepts the land Israel steals as part of Israel and official world maps update themselves with this stolen land.

And as IS stated you are completly correct in saying both sides are too blame, my main point was to try explain to sexnews and hopefully make him see why the people in that area do what they do. Although Palestine does take alot of actions to make the situation worse and this cannot be denied but to ignore what Israel does/ has done is wrong and that is what the western world media is doing.

agree

 

[Braaq]

Oh jesus christ... look at this

Israel hits 2 schools, resists cease-fire calls from allies

Israeli forces engaged in battle with Gaza hit two United Nations schools on Tuesday, and Palestinian medics say at least 34 people - many of them children - have died.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-01-06-gaza-tuesday-wrap_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

[Tech]

I hope someone nukes Israel and America.

lulz.

 

[Adam23]

I hope someone nukes Israel.

lulz.

fixed

 

[TJ]

It's very hard to watch something like this on the news and see what the city of Gaza is going through. Too bad America supports this and gave the green light for the initial invasion. This was on the news last night and hospitals are running out of doctors, rooms and medical equipment as well and now schools are being bombed.

This is like an extermination....

 

[Zigurd]

This conflict is terrible. I seriously feel ashamed for the World.

 

[Ironslave]

Oh jesus christ... look at this

Israel hits 2 schools, resists cease-fire calls from allies



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-01-06-gaza-tuesday-wrap_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Heartbreaking... this is such a tragedy.

 

[Tech]

This conflict is terrible. I seriously feel ashamed for the World.

I'm ashamed to be American when things like this happen because when you turn on the news, all you see is American politicians defending Israels actions. Actually, they are not just defending it....they are applauding it.

(well most politicians, obviously there are acceptations like Ron Paul)

 

[MrChewiebitums]

what you have to learn is that terrorists wont think twice about putting weapons in hospitals, schools and mosques (there supposed holy places), your gonna have to hit these places if you want to do dmg, now they already lost the PR war whether they deserved to or not, at least they should achieve something by destroying weapons

with regards to civilian deaths

Now look at it this way, you think Israel gives a shit about the other muslim places(and vice-versa)? after all they`re ones who keep blowing everybody elses stuff up for no good reason (7/11, madrid, london and it was going to be Ramstein Airbase in germany) bcoz of their retardedness

now i`m pretty sure israel just didnt decide to blow up a school for nothing, must have been suspected arms or just one hell of a damn mistake

Hamas made the bed, but the pple of Gaza gotta a sleep in it,

 

[Ironslave]

what you have to learn is that terrorists wont think twice about putting weapons in hospitals, schools and mosques (there supposed holy places), your gonna have to hit these places if you want to do dmg, now they already lost the PR war whether they deserved to or not, at least they should achieve something by destroying weapons

with regards to civilian deaths

Now look at it this way, you think Israel gives a shit about the other muslim places(and vice-versa)? after all they`re ones who keep blowing everybody elses stuff up for no good reason (7/11, madrid, london and it was going to be Ramstein Airbase in germany) bcoz of their retardedness

now i`m pretty sure israel just didnt decide to blow up a school for nothing, must have been suspected arms or just one hell of a damn mistake

Hamas made the bed, but the pple of Gaza gotta a sleep in it,

... are you fucking serious?

go make your own bed and get back into it with your cousin, redneck.

 

[Zigurd]

(well most politicians, obviously there are acceptations like Ron Paul)

Since I stopped following much American politics after Obama was elected I have a question, what is his stance on this subject ?

Hamas made the bed, but the pple of Gaza gotta a sleep in it,

 

[Adam23]

^^^exactly

 

[Tech]

Since I stopped following much American politics after Obama was elected I have a question, what is his stance on this subject ?

The very first post in this thread is Ron Paul explaining his position/opinion on this situation.

But in general, Ron Paul believes the United States should mind our own business and not interfere with problems that don't directly affect us.

Heres a speech by Ron Paul about Israel: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul335.html

I do not believe we are making the United States more secure when we involve ourselves in conflicts overseas. The Constitution really doesn't authorize us to be the policemen of the world, much less to favor one side over another in foreign conflicts.

 

[Bulkboy]

The very first post in this thread is Ron Paul explaining his position/opinion on this situation.

But in general, Ron Paul believes the United States should mind our own business and not interfere with problems that don't directly affect us.

Heres a speech by Ron Paul about Israel: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul335.html

I do not believe we are making the United States more secure when we involve ourselves in conflicts overseas. The Constitution really doesn't authorize us to be the policemen of the world, much less to favor one side over another in foreign conflicts.

i think he meant whats obamas stance on the matter, not ron pauls.