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Dorian Yates MD seminar - chest and legs training
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lol @ 10:30
Dorian: "Bench press is officially a shitty pec exercise...etc dumbbell flyes are way better"
i lol'ed at this as well. flyes imo is pretty shitty for ur shoulders. atleast my shoulders were never as bad as when i did flyes on a regular basis.
that being said, hes got a point when he points out that pretty much every pec tear he's seen has been because of the bench press. anyone else wanna chime in? whats the science regarding pec activation during flat bench compared to inclines, declines etc?
i lol'ed at this as well. flyes imo is pretty shitty for ur shoulders. atleast my shoulders were never as bad as when i did flyes on a regular basis.
that being said, hes got a point when he points out that pretty much every pec tear he's seen has been because of the bench press. anyone else wanna chime in? whats the science regarding pec activation during flat bench compared to inclines, declines etc?
Yeah, haha. I bet everyone there's like "WTF I'm not going to stop benching". I know I won't.
The fly, be it dumbell or cable, is exercising the pec in the motion for which it was intended. To pull the arms forward in front of the torso. Therefore, I can understand why some would feel this exercise would be more effective than a push exercise where the shoulders are going to be more dominant.
Depends how you want to measure things. There are a number of studies on the muscle recruitments of the pressing muscles, and there are a number that use different methods.Natzo said:According to a study Tim posted here chest exercises considering muscle activation go by this order.
- incline/ flat press DB or BB
- cable flyes
-db flyes
- decline press
Tim correct me if i'm wrong..
for me, db flyes and smith presses are what i do now, due to both of my shoulders hurting regardless of how i do flat/incline or decline bb presses etc. i wish the benches at my gym were like most of the ones powerlifters use, so you can literally slide the bb off, but the ones at my gym, you have to lift off which hurts my shoulders, and since my left shoulder/back is weaker i have to compromise ...
Lunges are good and train the leg completely differently to other exercises. If you don't have the basic levels of balance to do a split squat or lunge then you really have to question what you are actually achieving. But once you stop being quad dominant the lunge will hit the whole leg not just the quad.Johnny 5 said:"Lunge is more of a balance thing."
"Lunges are a waste of time."
I don't know man... A lot of bodybuilders still do lunges. I'll still be doing them they're a lot of fun. Anyway I think I need lunges because my right quad for some reason isn't as developed as my left quad (where there's a huge line that splits the outer quad). I would ask Dorian about that, but I think I just have to hit it with more single foot leg presses, and it'll come up in time.
And I think I feel the same way about squats. After squatting I really feel my glutes and my lower back. My form is good though and I do ATG. But I'll keep it in my programme.
So many dumb questions. :footmouth:
I liked how Dorian destroyed the separation myth in the legs video. The guy said "well....I heard hack squats are great for separation too".....Dorian basically interruped him and said "separation is genetics and lower bodyfat, ya? That has absolutely nothing to do with the exercise"