I haven't done: anything with a kettlebell; turkish getups; those DB squats you see people doing in front of the DB rack by the mirror; anything on a fitball.
To everyone who lists olympic style lifts; just give them a go. You need coaching and practice to get really good at them, but to say they are harder than learning to squat or deadlift is ridiculous. No reason why you can't be decently proficient at them just by having a go.
Snatch's are probably the easier of the two to learn, but require the most mobility. Start with a piece of doweling and then move onto a bar. Then gradually add weight. C&J is easy to pick up as the power version, just watch your catch position and go lighter while you learn.
I actually learnt to do these in one session. Most of my practice was with the DB versions. The main thing is to practice good technique all the time and not be afraid to dump a lift.
I've seen football players in the weightroom for 4 years ever since I started working out and none of them have yet to pull off even a decent power clean. Squats and deadlifts can be learned by yourself in a matter of watching a tutorial on youtube and reading some safety info etc. The rest is pretty much common sense in learning it. You can't use common sense in learning Oly lifts because there's just way too much technique.
And to the second statement, it depends on the person. Some people find the c&j easier to pick up than the snatch, and vice versa. Like you said, mobility is crucial in performing the snatch.
For someone brand new to lifting I would agree. For someone who has already been training and making use of compound exercises I disagree.Originally Posted by kn09
The "complexity" of the lifts is often overstated because people assume that you have to be able to have the technique to C&J 200kg at 85kg BW. Well lets then say that the squat is really complex because it also requires heaps of technique and practice in order to squat 400kg. But you can get a lot more out of a BW snatch than a BW squat, and neither require that much technique in comparison to an elite level lift.
I wasn't trying to say that a squat or deadlift was harder to learn. I was trying to indicate that all lifts require some skill and technique in order to perform them. Also worth considering that a degradation in a deadlift technique has more ramifications than a C&J, simply because it is really hard to complete a crap C&J, deadlifts you can grind out. I'm just trying to say that people talk about these lifts being hard to learn and complex, yet they are talking about them at an elite level not at a basic level. We don't talk about any other lift in this way until we want to improve out performance to the next level.Quote
Sorry but I'm calling bullshit. Not saying your observation is incorrect, but you aren't noticing how crap most people squat/deadlift as well. Now those footy players that suck at weightlifting I would bet also suck at squatting. If they don't I bet they have had specific coaching on the squat. I also bet they have never gone and looked at technique videos and advice on the lifts. Basically you aren't comparing things equally.Quote
Now I agree that it does take more than just rocking up at the gym and trying to do them. But so does any other exercise you want to list. I've literally spent years on my squat. Making weightlifting sound like it is unreachable or difficult to use is just another reason why people like you and I can't find decent gyms to lift in.
I agree. I found the snatch easier because I have decent shoulder mobility. My brother found the power C&J easier. But in terms of technique the snatch is an easier lift to learn and teach (just harder to get right). I should have also mentioned that the power versions are easy entry points as you don't need the same levels of mobility which makes them much easier to learn.Quote
^^ Haven't tried that, the Jefferson lift as lifterdead mentioned, and more..
I have tried the BB hack squats, and I must say they burn your quads pretty damn good.
have done the Jefferson too.
moves I haven't done... probably only the Oly moves.
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Understood now.Originally Posted by tim290280
While you are correct that their squats blow, it's light years ahead of their power cleans. I was observing this new kid working out with the football players and even though his squats sucked, he got the basic idea. He went on to try too learn the power clean, too. He didn't seem to grasp the basic idea of how to do it even when taught. But actually when I think of it, our trainer here at the high school doesn't know how to teach oly lifts the right way so I guess my observations do have some error.Originally Posted by tim290280
Originally Posted by time290280
Power versions are definitely much easier to learn.