- Jul 13, 2006
I pick Phil. His shape and structure just look so much better in nearly every shot, imo.
Back thickness IS phil. From these pictures I don't understand how you don't see that. As far as my leg detail comment goes, Kai indeed has the feathered vastas lateralis, but Phil has far more cuts in his quads.
and i just don't begin to understand how you think that a pro, with a self admitted prognosis on his back that it needs to be brought up to match the rest of him on top of that being the consensus from others (magazines, commentary) has a better back then a man who is starting to get the rep for having the best lats in the business post ronnie.
i mean, to each his own, phil does have beautiful structure especially in his back and i see how you can prefer that, but the denisty (especially the lower lat thickness, just look when kai pulls his arms back before he does his rear lat spread, ridiculous) absolutely goes to kai as does the width. phil's clavicles preclude that. though i will add that phil does have better detail in the rear lat spread.
skeptic i refer to point 1 of our convo on msn last month.
1) he who ever believed jay cutler has an aesthetic physique should pretty much be ignored in any physique conversion. (you)
Only joking, i think your off a bit on some of your calls tho kurt. His legs more detailed then kais?
Kais back is thicker in the lats, check front lat, even abs and thighs. (sure they look weak sauce in front double bis but its only because kai poses double biceps like a muppet even as a muppet u can see his lats are thicker then heaths)we are talking about these pictures, and in these pictures Phil has a thicker back than Kai.
Phil wins.I think Phils has better combination of size ,shape and detail.
I see what Skeptic is saying. Kai may have thicker lats but Phil's back as a whole is thicker (traps, middle back, and all those other small muscles in the back).
And what he's trying to say about Phils leg having more detail than Kai's, he is saying how Phil's quads have more cuts in it. Kai does have the cross-striated quads, but Phil's quads are fully separated and you can clearly see the each of the quad muscles. Kai's quads look watery in the sartorius area (inner thighs). Therefore, as a whole, Phil has more complete quads. But Kai's quads are still one of the most shredded quads I have seen.