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Kai Greene and the Grapefruit.....

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i used to not like kai's physique but he has improoved a ton. hes awesome now, but i would rather gotten a legit job than fuck a grapefruit LMAO. why didnt he just slang dope and keep his dignity like victor martinez hahahaha
 
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Line, I am not bashing Kai... I am just saying that fucking grapefruits is not normal. Besides, everything about Kai screams "unbalanced". The way he behaves, he is almost bipolar. Sometimes he is really relaxed and focused, and sometimes he acts like a little child. There is something wrong with him.

He may be a great bodybuilder, with awesome body parts, etc... but health comes first. And if he has some sort of mental issue, he should check it out.

Look at his stage performances, plus his interviews, plus footage from his training, plus the grapefruit incident...

I hope I am just exaggerating and he is just eccentric.
 
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If it pays...

Can't blaim the man.
 
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i don't understand why your so "supportive" here line. Kai's behavior only further perpetuates the presumption many have about our sport. that it is "gay".
The only person who knows who Kai Greene is or what he has done are bodybuilding fans and people with muscle fetishes. I hardly doubt that such "controversy" is leaking elsewhere into mainstream media. Regardless of who chooses to do it, be it a top pro or unknown amateur, people are still going to pay to see muscular men do unforeseen acts; the individual is pretty faultless here as there's no flow chart of responsibility.
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and here we have a pro doing something shameful and exactly the reason why the general public don't take bbing seriously.
This doesn't even scratch the surface as to why the public doesn't take bodybuilding seriously. Please stop slanting your ignorance in order to further support your points.
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what bothers me is not the fact that he chose to do this for money.
Would you be happier if he did it purely for recreation/pleasure?
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to each his own. but he now represents the IFBB as a champion bodybuilder, he needs to cut this shit out.
Keeps doing it? I haven't been "brave" enough to click on any of the links provided but if I'm not mistaken this is a past incident that can't be laid to rest. In the case I could be wrong though.
ye exactly, what happens if kai becomes mr olympia? Total dark age of bbing.
Yes, I'm sure the mainstream media would be all over this. :uhoh2:

What's wrong with someone with an incredible physique actually being Mr. Olympia? Do you really think that the general public will find out or that anyone within even the most meager bodybuilding circle doesn't already know. In regard to this thread and my original comment, they pretty much were purported to expose this kind of hypocrisy in fandom. We as fans want to be an outside entity of other sports yet we cry foul when shortcomings are exposed or exploited. If we can't come to terms with what we truly are as a sport we're just destroying ourselves from the inside out...it's better to accept things and to embrace an acceptable progressive attitude than to have ridiculous pipe dreams.
 
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i don't understand why your so "supportive" here line. Kai's behavior only further perpetuates the presumption many have about our sport. that it is "gay". it makes me so mad when i here things like this. and here we have a pro doing something shameful and exactly the reason why the general public don't take bbing seriously.

what bothers me is not the fact that he chose to do this for money. to each his own. but he now represents the IFBB as a champion bodybuilder, he needs to cut this shit out.

Even being a muslim (As you noticed we are so "conservative" toward certain sexual practices) what I can really say is that Kai lived a poor life, that kai lived with poor conditions in an apartment, that maybe Kai "sinned" using his amazing tool that is his body and based on the grapefruit article his bing "Toy" it does not mean that this guy is not representing IFBB as "it should be" for you. Bob Paris was a wonderful man, a great activist an incredible gay Icon for musclehunks, musclelover whatever you mean but he represented our sport with great loyalty and passion. Being a muslim, a Christian or a jewish practioner it does mean we are exempt of Sin or we are not exempt of use our body for $$$$$$$$ to eat, to dress, etc.

Team Grapefruit Yahooooooooooooooo

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If we can't come to terms with what we truly are as a sport we're just destroying ourselves from the inside out...it's better to accept things and to embrace an acceptable progressive attitude than to have ridiculous pipe dreams.

Well said.
 
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^he won the sows because he deserved them...i am not impressed by his bisexual behavior but he is an awesome bber and his routine at keystone grand prix was the best i have seen.if
he likes to have fun with grapefruits or some boys butt its his business,to you or me this may seem disgusting but it is his life and his body.


JAJAJAJAJAJA, man excellent comment, Hypocresy is one of the sins a man can do, and this is exactly what happens with this topic, some members here, so conservative saying Kai Greene did not deserve his victories in a row for his bisexual behavior or maybe his gay attitude, but this has been part of our double moral society-christian-jew and muslim societies. Just keep in mind several examples in history: An important Bizir in Turkish-muslim empire fell in love with his boy massage assistant-the "strange love" between King David and Jonathan a powerful love more powerful than the love for a woman between King David and Jonathat or what about the popes history and their strange "orgies", well we shouldn't judge Kai for what he did in the past, reward will come for him, and he deserved his victories.
 
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I don't see the big deal? He has no reason to be a role model. He is a grown man and can do whatever he wants. If you don't like it, then don't visit gay muscle sites.

As with most poor and I mean really poor kids growing up, their sexuality is expressed a lot more than say upper class people. Its not suppressed but parents or others because they have no one there to guide them. I know a few that have made something of themselves but they grew up on the streets of Saint Martin and Haiti. They just aren't ashamed of their body and sexual feelings so they do what they want when it comes to that kind of stuff. Take Kai's apartment, he is really open with his art and its extremely sexual. Its just him.
 
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i swear every month there is a new thread up bashing kai with his past.
can the mods please start deleting the new threads about this, because i know there will be more to come :disgust:

he did this because he was broke poor and trying to become a professional bodybuilder. now im no expert but i would think it takes some money to try and be competitive in the sport.

its good to see kai winning shows now so he can support his family :tiphat:
 
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i swear every month there is a new thread up bashing kai with his past.
can the mods please start deleting the new threads about this, because i know there will be more to come

I don't think it's necessary to delete every thread that discusses Kai and his questionable behavior. Afterall, this is a website for discussion bodybuilding and Kai is probably one of the most controversial pros out there. As long as they don't turn in to bash fests, I think it should be allowed.
 

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So, do guys look at those types of sites and want to fuck those "muscle hunks" or do they want to be fucked by those "muscle hunks?"

I'm sure Braaq can fill me in on this question.

:49: :49:
What??? Why you say that? I just don't look at those sites, what he does in his own free time or for money is his business. I don't really care :e5dunno:
I didn't click on the links, and do not plan on to. I will leave that to the people who get off on that sort of thing, as for me I enjoy Kai Greene on stage and think he has a great physique and seems to be rather intelligent as well. When your poor or come from a struggling background you do what you have to do to survive. I really do not see the problem everyone has with this, if you do not agree with it that is fine. But I can tell you this, many other bodybuilders do far worse like sell or do recreational drugs.
 
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I don't think it's necessary to delete every thread that discusses Kai and his questionable behavior. Afterall, this is a website for discussion bodybuilding and Kai is probably one of the most controversial pros out there. As long as they don't turn in to bash fests, I think it should be allowed.

i guess i would rather discuss bodybuilding than gay porn, but hey whatever floats your boat man
 
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I can't stop looking at those sites, what he does in his own free time for for money and my entertainment is his business. I really care :e5dunno: I clicked on the links, and plan to again. Leave that to the people like me who get off on that sort of thing, as I enjoyed Kai Greene on stage with his grapefruit, and think he has a great physique and seems to be rather well hung as well.

Can't say I agree with all your points, but I think Kai is a good bodybuilder.
 
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i guess i would rather discuss bodybuilding than gay porn, but hey whatever floats your boat man

This is musclemecca. Gay porn, transvestites, and Kai Greene are par.

:linedrunk:


Besides, my intention wasn't to discuss grapefruits/dicks, it was to discuss if and how this kind of thing influences bodybuilding, and if it should be ignored or something should be done about it. Personally, I wasn't quite sure what to make of it but after reading Line's post I think I agree with him.
 
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The only person who knows who Kai Greene is or what he has done are bodybuilding fans and people with muscle fetishes. I hardly doubt that such "controversy" is leaking elsewhere into mainstream media. Regardless of who chooses to do it, be it a top pro or unknown amateur, people are still going to pay to see muscular men do unforeseen acts; the individual is pretty faultless here as there's no flow chart of responsibility.

This doesn't even scratch the surface as to why the public doesn't take bodybuilding seriously. Please stop slanting your ignorance in order to further support your points.

Would you be happier if he did it purely for recreation/pleasure?

Keeps doing it? I haven't been "brave" enough to click on any of the links provided but if I'm not mistaken this is a past incident that can't be laid to rest. In the case I could be wrong though.

Yes, I'm sure the mainstream media would be all over this. :uhoh2:

What's wrong with someone with an incredible physique actually being Mr. Olympia? Do you really think that the general public will find out or that anyone within even the most meager bodybuilding circle doesn't already know. In regard to this thread and my original comment, they pretty much were purported to expose this kind of hypocrisy in fandom. We as fans want to be an outside entity of other sports yet we cry foul when shortcomings are exposed or exploited. If we can't come to terms with what we truly are as a sport we're just destroying ourselves from the inside out...it's better to accept things and to embrace an acceptable progressive attitude than to have ridiculous pipe dreams.

i did not mean this is the only reason why people don't take bbing seriously, just one of the reasons.

like i said, to each his own, i do not care if he does this for recreation, pleasure, money, or whatever. the point is if he still is doing this (i'm not sure anyone here knows if he still is or not) it needs to be put it to a stop. we cannot have one of the best pros out there who represents the IFBB be invovled in fetish pornography.

and if someone is struggling financially then sometimes they must do things that others find reprehensible in order to make do. fine. but did it ever occurr to you he is cheating himself out of money by doing this? ever make you wonder why a guy with two professional wins and a major up and comer has no weider contract nor supplement contract? those would bring in far more money than his little porn thing. if money is the main motivator here, he just shot himself in the foot.
 
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i did not mean this is the only reason why people don't take bbing seriously, just one of the reasons.
Again, I doubt the public's lack of understanding has anything to do with high-tier pros doing anything amoral for money. If the sport is labeled as "gay" it's more likely because, following the AIDS epidemic, a large percentage of afflicted homosexual males began training and getting bigger to hide the toll that the disease was taking on their body. Thus, large muscular physiques became a bit synonymous with homosexuality. People today are likely obvious to this fact yet the connection between the "lifestyles" remains. Also, as the general consensus is that if you're an adult male watching overly-hypertrophied men pose in tiny trunks, you're probably gay anyway. Again, this mindset has little to do with what goes on "behind the scenes".
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like i said, to each his own, i do not care if he does this for recreation, pleasure, money, or whatever. the point is if he still is doing this (i'm not sure anyone here knows if he still is or not) it needs to be put it to a stop. we cannot have one of the best pros out there who represents the IFBB be invovled in fetish pornography.
Again, the majority of fans and followers of bodybuilding have already forgiven him and there is no way information like this will leak into the public's eye, at least during the span of his career. Bodybuilding simply will not become that popular that quick. He hasn't committed a crime, he just did some things for money that he most likely won't go back to.
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and if someone is struggling financially then sometimes they must do things that others find reprehensible in order to make do. fine. but did it ever occurr to you he is cheating himself out of money by doing this? ever make you wonder why a guy with two professional wins and a major up and comer has no weider contract nor supplement contract? those would bring in far more money than his little porn thing. if money is the main motivator here, he just shot himself in the foot.
I'm sure that he'll be fine. For the third time, bodybuilding is a sport that tends to protect the personal interests of its athletes better than others; a fortunate condition made possible only through our unfortunate obscurity. Most of the muckraking that goes on is amongst fellow pros or business heads in the form of rivalries but publications and companies rarely invest time dragging the athletes through the filth.
 
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and if someone is struggling financially then sometimes they must do things that others find reprehensible in order to make do. fine. but did it ever occurr to you he is cheating himself out of money by doing this? ever make you wonder why a guy with two professional wins and a major up and comer has no weider contract nor supplement contract? those would bring in far more money than his little porn thing. if money is the main motivator here, he just shot himself in the foot.

This is an interesting point for sure.
 
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I'm pretty sure hindsight is 20/20.

No doubt, I'm sure at the time he didn't expect to climb the sport as rapidly and as high as he did. It will still probably hurt him financially though in the long run.
 

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