The Training Support Column MkII

[tim290280]

Doesnt work...

Crap!
I literally tested that yesterday! I'll see if I can't find it again elsewhere.
THe title is: Physiological and Biophysical of Overtraining and Overtraining Injuries. MC Siff.

 

[tim290280]

Tim...
Just wanted to know a few things since i havent been in the gym for about 3 weeks now or so...i was wondering since i had that little shoulder problem if you remember for my posts at bbd. well in brief i think its bursitis or tendonitis/tendonosis. I havnet been diagnosed for this and neither have i seen a specialist. anyways my question is with regard to when i do get back in to training. my lateral shoulders and upper traps are really lacking. what do you think i can do to get them to fully develop. the reason its these 2 parts is because of the shoulder issue. i can hardly do an entire chest or shoulder workout because of the pain in the anterior deltoid region. also the other problem is that my traps are exteremly tight. to give you an example, when doing barbell curls, if i go over 15 reps or so at first the traps really start to hurt and kind of get pumped. but the pain is only when doing the reps. i can do what ever weight and it wont matter. they get really tight. perhaps its an issue of streching? could u post ways that one could strech the traps if that is the problem.
Thanks

My first piece of advice is to go and see a shoulder specialist, or possibly a physio that specialises in shoulders. They will be able to diagnose correctly what you have done and prescribe the correct exercises to fix the problem (assuming this isn't too bad to need surgery).

I'm loath to actually say much more, as if exercises are causing pain then you should be looking to fix the problem, which may mean giving up benching, etc. What I can say is that lateral shoulder work is going to be tricky, as most lateral raises cause an impingement and subluxing of the joint. Not Good!

Traps are a different kettle of fish, as they can be developed with the good old deadlift, clean (although this may not be good for you), shrugs, etc. If they are experiencing pain from bicep curls, I think you may have either crap form or more than just a shoulder joint problem (pinched nerve, etc). As to stretching the traps, one is to grasp a bar and lightly pull the shoulder down while tilting the head in the oposite direction (be carefull to keep this a light stretch!). Another is the clasp hands and when seated use the knee to pull the hands down and away. I'd personally just massage the traps. To do this grab your girlfriend, or a good looking chick and get her to massage the area (and anywhere else that needs relief).

But see a specialist or physio ASAP. Don't start training again until you have, as you could do more damage.

 

[Flex]

Nice thread here Tim.

Obese people are certainly ugly.

 

[imraan47]

My first piece of advice is to go and see a shoulder specialist, or possibly a physio that specialises in shoulders. They will be able to diagnose correctly what you have done and prescribe the correct exercises to fix the problem (assuming this isn't too bad to need surgery).

I'm loath to actually say much more, as if exercises are causing pain then you should be looking to fix the problem, which may mean giving up benching, etc. What I can say is that lateral shoulder work is going to be tricky, as most lateral raises cause an impingement and subluxing of the joint. Not Good!

Traps are a different kettle of fish, as they can be developed with the good old deadlift, clean (although this may not be good for you), shrugs, etc. If they are experiencing pain from bicep curls, I think you may have either crap form or more than just a shoulder joint problem (pinched nerve, etc). As to stretching the traps, one is to grasp a bar and lightly pull the shoulder down while tilting the head in the oposite direction (be carefull to keep this a light stretch!). Another is the clasp hands and when seated use the knee to pull the hands down and away. I'd personally just massage the traps. To do this grab your girlfriend, or a good looking chick and get her to massage the area (and anywhere else that needs relief).

But see a specialist or physio ASAP. Don't start training again until you have, as you could do more damage.

thanks for the advice. i know i should go see a doc but the damn problem is that i dont have insurance anymore. my dad use to work and we used to be covered but now he has his own gig so no more coverage. and personally i would not be able to afford it. just to see a chiropractor cost 100 per vist here!

 

[philosopher]

Crap!
I literally tested that yesterday! I'll see if I can't find it again elsewhere.
THe title is: Physiological and Biophysical of Overtraining and Overtraining Injuries. MC Siff.

Cant find it either. The only link i could find was the same you did.

 

[tim290280]

Cant find it either. The only link i could find was the same you did.

If anyone wants it just PM me your email and I'll send it to you.

 

[philosopher]

If anyone wants it just PM me your email and I'll send it to you.

PM send.

 

[FOOTBALL FAN]

just wondered if you know much about bad backs I have problems with my sacral vertebrea its like a dull ache all the time especially after back workout day it feels stiff and painful for a few days do you know of anything to help?

 

[tim290280]

just wondered if you know much about bad backs I have problems with my sacral vertebrea its like a dull ache all the time especially after back workout day it feels stiff and painful for a few days do you know of anything to help?

The muscles can be trained to be stronger and more resilient so that you don't have back problems. This means not hammering your back, but actually encouraging strength gains and as little DOMS as possible.

But if you have issues related to the spine, it is better to speak to specialists. The spine can be a tricky one, and while muscle strengthening can help it can also cause more damage.

I strained my back in a fall water skiing. Spent many months recovering with gradual strengthening and steering clear of doing overloading (lots of work).

 

[jornT]

If anyone wants it just PM me your email and I'll send it to you.

DO I really have to ask for it.

Send bitch!

 

[jornT]

Populair thread.

 

[FOOTBALL FAN]

The muscles can be trained to be stronger and more resilient so that you don't have back problems. This means not hammering your back, but actually encouraging strength gains and as little DOMS as possible.

But if you have issues related to the spine, it is better to speak to specialists. The spine can be a tricky one, and while muscle strengthening can help it can also cause more damage.

I strained my back in a fall water skiing. Spent many months recovering with gradual strengthening and steering clear of doing overloading (lots of work).[/QUOTE

thanks mate I might have to see a chiropracter because im not really sure the docter knows what he is on about

 

[Peanut!!]

hey tim it is good to see you have came across here with your coloum hope to make a few posts in here
hey FF did u ever hurt your coccyx or anything?

 

[jornT]

coccyx

His cock?

 

[FOOTBALL FAN]

hey tim it is good to see you have came across here with your coloum hope to make a few posts in here
hey FF did u ever hurt your coccyx or anything?

no its the joint above the coccyx I have had trouble with it for years where I fell when I was skating but on my back day it real hurts and for days after and I dont want to do permanent damage

 

[Rocky]

Tim today I noticed a pain in my left shoulder. It's fine and I notice nothing until I raise my arm in front of my (as in a front raise) and then it hurts - doesn't feel muscular, don't know if it's tendon or joint but it's like a stinging pain, but it's only their with a front raise movement.
I don't think it's from working out cos last time I went to the gym was Tuesday and it's only just come on this morning. It was fine through my chest/back session, but it's still there.
I don't know how I did it (whether sleeping on it funny - if I did - would have done it) and I'm hoping it will go away by tomorrow or next day, but if it doesn't (and even if it does) could this be something I need to be concerned about, in that it could be an underlying issue with rotator cuff or something.
Should there be something I'm doing to stop this from happening in the future!
Thanks in advance buddy.

 

[tim290280]

Well if I was a physio and you were a patient, I'd get your shirt off and......

But I'm not so I can only guess that either the biceps tendon has become inflamed or strained, or part of the shoulder muscle.

Do you notice a clicking, or "movement" in the shoulder when raising and rotating the shoulder/arm? Where is that occuring (underneath, internally)? I doubt that this is a rotor cuff issue perse. It is more likely a strain caused by a minor imbalance and your new training regime. See if i persists, especially in pressing motions (though be carefull), and then consult with a physio if needed.

As far as to stop this sort of thing, assuming it is a strain brought on by a minor imbalance, then the external rotations are a good idea especially warming up, and stretching the pec minor and major. Oh and get a (well qualified) female physio as they will test you with your shirt off for external and internal rotation strength ratios.

 

[Rocky]

Ta muchly Tim. Seems to have eased off today and there was no clicking it was just a pain. To be honest I do little to no stretching, I rely purely on the warm ups for each lift so perhaps this is something I should address.

Although the female physio idea sounds like a plan...

 

[tim290280]

Just to clarify; the stretching in warmups should be dynamic, and the static stretching can be after the workout.

 

[Rocky]

Just to clarify; the stretching in warmups should be dynamic, and the static stretching can be after the workout.

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