Ron Paul FTW
- Jul 12, 2006
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The officers told Molde his garage door was open, the TV was on, the keys to his truck were left in the ignition and the door to his house was ajar.
i'd want them to wake me up to fix this stuff if i was enough of a jack ass to do all these things
^ you're right in the fact that the police had no right to enter. however personally i would want to be notified right away if i left my key in the ignition, garage door open, and door ajar at night with children present. better the cops than a criminal.
ok, let me ask you this...^ you're right in the fact that the police had no right to enter. however personally i would want to be notified right away if i left my key in the ignition, garage door open, and door ajar at night with children present. better the cops than a criminal.
the article said that typically they do just leave a note, however i'm sure it was these three factors combined that led them to enter and inform the homeowner. you're looking at it from a personal rights standpoint that they had no right to enter, i'm looking at it like the cops actually cared enough to inform the man right away rather than much more easily leave a note and be on their way.
Originally posted by Ironslave
I see your point where you're coming from in most of your posts, but this is a gross abuse of police power. They had no right to intrude into his house in the middle of the night, regardless of any situation. It's stuff like this which shows more and more a large number of police officers are abusing their power and violating our basic/property rights.
Ron Paul is a pretty big fan of the Constitution, so I'm certain he'd have a problem with police officers ignoring the Fourth Amendment.this is one of the things Ron Paul wishes would return to our general society, care and compassion for our fellow man.
The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution ensures citizens' right to "be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures …"
ok, let me ask you this...
If those police walked in and accidentally stumbled upon a bag of cocaine or a marijuana plant, what then? do you think it would be ok for the police to arrest him?
Ron Paul is a pretty big fan of the Constitution, so I'm certain he'd have a problem with police officers ignoring the Fourth Amendment.
I don't question their intentions, I question their judgement.but i think it's wrong that you believe these cops had any bad intentions with what they did here.
I don't question their intentions, I question their judgement.
If this was a small town where everybody knows everybody, I'm sure the police were just being neighborly. But it doesn't matter what their intentions were because they broke the law. I question their judgement as police officers because they went into this mans home to tell him about some unlock doors and that he left his television on. HE LEFT HIS TV ON??
Originally posted by Duality
spin it this way. we all have a right to our personal property correct? were the police not aiding in this man's consitutional right to protect his property...? they violated one right, but helped another.
thats like saying it's ok for firefighters to come soak your house with water to protect it from catching on fire.were the police not aiding in this man's consitutional right to protect his property...?
thats like saying it's ok for firefighters to come soak your house with water to protect it from catching on fire.
or the animal control officers come to your house and tie your dog to a tree, just to make sure it won't jump your fence and run away.
or a mailman opening your mail for you, so you don't get papercuts on your fingers.
edit: I just realized that firefighters actually do that to homes when they're in the way of forrest fires, but I think you get my point.
if the question is...would I rather run the risk of having my car stolen or have the police illegally enter my house at 3am and wake me up?tell me, would you rather have had your car stolen, or the cops inform you, albeit "illegally"?
if the question is...would I rather run the risk of having my car stolen or have the police illegally enter my house at 3am and wake me up?
honest to god, I'd rather take the risk of having my car stolen. in all fairness, I could probably leave my windows down and doors unlocked all year round and my car would probably not get broken into.
but you know what? carelessness isn't a crime and if I'm so irresponsible that I leave my doors unlocked, I probably deserve to have my stuff stolen. but then again, thats why Americans are suppose to have personal responsibility.
I often get the impression from your posts that you wouldn't mind living in a nanny state.
if the home was in immediate danger (a gas leak, fire, tornado, a flood like Katrina), then yes the police could have the right go into your home and help evacuate. I might be wrong, but I believe that is one of the few exceptions within the Fourth Amendment when the police have that right.these cops deserve a thank you, not a lawsuit.