Biden: Paying higher taxes is "patriotic" for wealthy

[Ironslave]

I must admit though.... I lol'd at this.

 

[Duality]

My post was a joke. I can't believe people took offence to it. I don't mind reading a good debate, aslong as you keep it civil.

I took alot of heat letting you back btw.

it's hard to tell when you're joking with me when you've banned me like 2 or 3 times. people probably wouldn't have taken it seriously if they though it was a joke. i'm glad to see you don't actually think that.





IS and flex......shut up. that's the best i can do as i don't know how to post youtube vids. if i did, i'd pawn both of you.

 

[Flex]

IS and flex......shut up. that's the best i can do as i don't know how to post youtube vids. if i did, i'd pawn both of you.

 

[Tonyk212000]

IS and flex......shut up. that's the best i can do as i don't know how to post youtube vids. if i did, i'd pawn both of you.

I have to admit this post is funny. When I post youtube videos i just copy the url and paste it. Also its pwn as Pain said not pawn, were not chess pieces here

 

[Duality]

....i just got pwned.....

 

[Tonyk212000]

....i just got pwned.....

 

[Tonyk212000]

You're going to hate me

 

[Flex]

lol, which one of those guys is duality? Middle?

 

[Braaq]

No, Duality is the one to the right

 

[Duality]

i don't get it tony. i pwn the other competitors here you're blind/stupid if you think otherwise. flex's response verfies this he assumes the one in the middle is getting pwned. and to top it off i'm 19 here going against guys who are 30+.



you just pwned yourself bud



fail

 

[Flex]

i don't get it tony. i pwn the other competitors here you're blind/stupid if you think otherwise. flex's response verfies this he assumes the one in the middle is getting pwned. and to top it off i'm 19 here going against guys who are 30+.



you just pwned yourself bud



fail

You looked good there bud.

 

[Duality]

^ why thank you home slice

 

[Tonyk212000]

i don't get it tony. i pwn the other competitors here you're blind/stupid if you think otherwise. flex's response verfies this he assumes the one in the middle is getting pwned. and to top it off i'm 19 here going against guys who are 30+.

I was just implying you would have won if you tryed to pwn them instead of pawning them like you tried to do to us

Im sorry you got butt hurt and didnt understand it.

 

[Bulkboy]

Again, lets look at the definition of communism.

"Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general."

Your views, at least on this topic, are in line with this. You advocate the wealthy being forced by the state to give up their wealth for others. Sure, it's not quite pure communism in the extreme sense that every person should make the same amount of money regardless, but, it is still advocating very close views. As I posted earlier in this thread, since taxpayers will be forced to pay for all the mortgages the government has guaranteed, doesn't that give a serious claim that they have some stake in ownership of the property?

well, my views does not promote a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general, so its just flat out wrong. i believe in property right, and private enterprise, but i also believe that the government has a role to play, that does not make me a communist. it makes me a realist. if i am a communist, then so is everyone else except u ron paul fans, which u know is pure bs. u talk about the wealthy being forced to give up their wealth to others, cmon, everyone pays taxes, im willing to bet that most people gladly pay their share of taxes, u may think its too high, but their is a general consensus about the necessity of taxation in order to provide society with services that can not be covered by the private enterprise or market. im just saying that in a time of turmoil, it is more logical to place alittle more of the tax burden on the very wealthy rather than the midde class. u heard what bigben said, for alot of wealthy a couple of extra tax dollars wont mean shit. u have to stop letting ur principals get in the way of real world solutions. in essense, my view on economics does not have anything to do with communism, also communism is about alot more than economics, which im not gonna drag into this thread.

I can't comment on Norway's system, because I've never looked into it, but at least in America now, again, the government is responsible for all this mess. With a free market system, prices go down. This crisis has occured because the free market hasn't been used. Sure, some people (typically, those who are just lazy and contribute nothing to society) won't benefit, but society as a whole will.

its not that easy to say the government is all responsible. the government had to take action in this situation, i dont think ron paul is aware of what would actually happend if the government didnt do shit. we would have a recession like we saw during the 30s, and guess what, it was after that recession that people saw that government involvement was necessary. in our globalized economy u cant just sit on the fence letting everything go to hell, because ur dragging everybody else with u. u can infact say that this crisis occured much because the government was not involved enough. this speculation, and the borrowing of money to people who had no chance in hell of paying back unless the prices kept going up forever was irresponsible, and i hope legislation comes that makes this illegal. also, i dont get why the US system is such that if u deliver the key to the house u bought the bank takes over the mortage, if the value of the house goes down and u sell it, then u should be responsible for the rest of the debt, this would make people much more sceptic of borrowing if they cant afford it.

im not sitting here defending the feds though, i do see some of ron pauls points about the printing/borrowing of money, artifically low interest rates and so forth. would love to learn more about it though.

 

[Bulkboy]

What's your opinion on the situation with Iran?

i think its unacceptable to let iran get the hold of nuclear weapons considering the regime in teheran and their agenda. i dont support any hasty military intervention though, i think diplomatic tools must be used first. and if necessary embargos. if none of that works, and iran still tryes to get hold of nukes, then i wouldnt mind israel taking affair to prevent that, like they did in the 80s against iraq.

 

[Flex]

well, my views does not promote a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general, so its just flat out wrong. i believe in property right, and private enterprise, but i also believe that the government has a role to play, that does not make me a communist. it makes me a realist. if i am a communist, then so is everyone else except u ron paul fans, which u know is pure bs.

So everyone else wants to stay in Iraq permanently, abolish all gun rights, grant health care to all, and abolish tax cuts for the wealthy?

I'll tell you what, not even 1% of the United States would agree with all of those combined...and you call yourself a realist?

A realist would of realized that Russia wasn't the aggressor in the invasion of South Ossetia.

Finally, I would appreciate if you stopped labeling us as "you Ron Paul fans" because it is extremely rude. If you keep that up, i'll label you as a communist whether I think you are or you arn't. Because, you are at the very least a socialist and you can't argue against that.

 

[Flex]

i think its unacceptable to let iran get the hold of nuclear weapons considering the regime in teheran and their agenda. i dont support any hasty military intervention though, i think diplomatic tools must be used first. and if necessary embargos. if none of that works, and iran still tryes to get hold of nukes, then i wouldnt mind israel taking affair to prevent that, like they did in the 80s against iraq.

Who said anything about Iran trying to get nukes? They shut down their program in 2003.

There's no proof that Iran is trying to "get nukes" and have told us several times they have no intentions.

 

[Bulkboy]

So everyone else wants to stay in Iraq permanently, abolish all gun rights, grant health care to all, and abolish tax cuts for the wealthy?

I'll tell you what, not even 1% of the United States would agree with all of those combined...and you call yourself a realist?

my response was directed at IS and him labeling me a commie for wanting to tax the wealthy at alittle higher rate. my point was simply that progressive taxing is a part of most industrialized countries policy, and if that makes me a commie then it makes pretty much the rest of the world commies.

A realist would of realized that Russia wasn't the aggressor in the invasion of South Ossetia.

Finally, I would appreciate if you stopped labeling us as "you Ron Paul fans" because it is extremely rude. If you keep that up, i'll label you as a communist whether I think you are or you arn't. Because, you are at the very least a socialist and you can't argue against that.

the conflict in the caucasus is more complicated than that. do i think it was the right decision of georgia to start a war with those rebel republics? no, i dont. do i think russias response was valid? no i dont.

and, why is it rude of me to call u ron paul fans? u are arent u? uve been throwing it all over the forum for several months, and suddenly u take offense to me calling u that? i mean, im a jay fan, and u can call me a jay fan as much as u want and i will not take offense to that, because i am afterall... a jay fan:wutyousay:

and u can toss around political terms as commie or socialist all u want, just know that it doesent strenghten ur argument, and i will at the very least refrain from going down that path while debating

 

[Bulkboy]

and have told us several times they have no intentions.

well if ahmadinejad says so then it must be true:wutyousay:

supreme leader ali khamanei stated in 2004 that iran would never give up its enrichment of uranium. i think its pretty obvious that iran wants to get hold of nuclear weapons.

 

[Flex]

and, why is it rude of me to call u ron paul fans? u are arent u? uve been throwing it all over the forum for several months, and suddenly u take offense to me calling u that? i mean, im a jay fan, and u can call me a jay fan as much as u want and i will not take offense to that, because i am afterall... a jay fan:wutyousay:

It sounds as if you're trying to make all conservatives out to be a small group of Ron Paul fans. I would rather you label us conservatives, or something along those lines. Calling people Jay Cutler fans, is completely different.

and u can toss around political terms as commie or socialist all u want, just know that it doesent strenghten ur argument, and i will at the very least refrain from going down that path while debating

Fair enough.