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    Originally posted by Ironslave
    Props dude, your chest is national caliber, back looks pretty decent, and obviously hamstrings need work (ATG squats fool!).
    i think on top of that i'm going to start incoporating "touch up" work so to speak on back day for hamstrings. a couple extra sets a week on top of the regular work out add up over the course of a year. but thank you.


    Conditioning is better than I thought it would be
    lol, i'll take it i guess. lest you forget i'm not done yet. 6 days as i type this. i will drop another 7 pounds in this time frame i'm approximating. you'll get pictures.


    but you could use a good 4 weeks more prep to come in amazing. Next time, live and learn, and realize you're ALWAYS further behind than you think you are.
    another 4 weeks would over diet me and stick me in a division with far shorter dudes in what is typically a more competitive division. remember, the goal is to look good, AND place well. i will do that in the heavies. though you are completely right in that every diet is an awesome, awesome learning experience. i really do love it.



    Completely agree, though, it's not a natural show, btw...
    lol, i'm actually a little offended he thinks i look natural. unless he doesn't know my age or something.





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    Looking awesome Jase. That chest is fucked (in a good way). Looking very balanced in the shots. Great V-taper also esp with that wispy waist of yours! Your front lat spread is great.

    I agree with IS that you need a little longer, Possibly 2-3 weeks and then you'd come in looking amazing.

    Looking forward to the next set of pics, stay strong bro




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    Front lat spread and mostmuscular pose rocks!




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    Awesome size and symmetry bro! Conditioning looking a lot better. May I suggest putting a little bend in that spiked leg on that rear lat spread? I think it would do a lot better to show your hams.


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    You mainly hold water on your back, I do think. I'm wrong?

    Midsection looks very close to contest shape, IMHO. Chest is full, you need to shock judges with it, it's by far your best bodypart.

    Stick to the plan!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duality View Post
    lol, i'll take it i guess. lest you forget i'm not done yet. 6 days as i type this. i will drop another 7 pounds in this time frame i'm approximating. you'll get pictures.
    another 4 weeks would over diet me and stick me in a division with far shorter dudes in what is typically a more competitive division. remember, the goal is to look good, AND place well. i will do that in the heavies.

    These posts reveal the thing which will keep you from reaching your lofty expectations in bodybuilding, your mental outlook. Another 4 weeks would over diet you? Please, another 4 weeks and you'd be in pretty good bodybuilding show shape, and you'd look much bigger and better.

    The reason why many people were giving you grief about your conditioning a few weeks ago and encouraging you on is because you were/are further behind than you think. Did you listen? I'm willing to bet almost any money you didn't, especially with regards to doubling up the cardio like I suggested on the stepmill (another excuse, 'I like walking for cardio'.... F that, getting diced requires one of the two most important words which describe what it takes to prep for a bodybuilding show, sacrifice. This doesn't mean leisurely strolls, it means busting your ass for hours on end when your body is just screaming stop, and you struggle for each extra minute. Freak is right, if you don't feel like shit, you probably did something wrong.)


    This isn't meant to rag on you personally, and by no means am I or any of the others saying you don't look good. But just give you the constructive criticism and 'wake up call' you need. It's always some kind of excuse with you, (the lighting is bad, the pics don't do justice, the calipers said 5.8%, I want to avoid a division, the squats were parallel, etc etc etc.)

    For the vast majority of cases, ESPECIALLY at the amateur level, if I had to describe another word more than sacrifice which dives success in those who win shows, it would be desperation. These are the guys who are willing to pull out all the stops, stick to the diet as strict as possible, do the cardio for 15 minutes more than everyone else would, slave on the stepmill machine even though their legs are almost too tired to walk up stairs in their house, and so on.

    You are now at the point where almost every possibly counter physiological mechanism is kicking in to prevent you from losing more fat. Your total natural thyroid production has droped, T4-T3 thryoid hormone enzyme activity has plummeted, hunger hormones are through the roof, energy is zapped, and many others all of which make it seemingly impossible to keep losing fat, and you have to work more than twice as hard for less than half as much results (or even more of a difference in the ratio). This happens at the point of those "last few pounds" where you try to get out those lower abs, and so forth, but I'm talking way beyond that, I'm talking the point where hours upon hours of work might give an extra subtle cut in their quads, an extra vein here and there, a bit of extra definition of the brachialis, or other tiny changes. But guess what, the desperate guys work that much harder for those "tiny" changes, because they know separates those who place, and those who win.

    If you're content having pretty good abs, looking good at shows, and going to a division where you can get a top 3 finish and walking away with some kind of trophy, cool, that's fine, many people are. But, if you want to go somewhere and win shows, these are the things you need to think about every waking moment of every day (especially when it comes to the cardio). You need to start to sacrifice, and you need to get desperate.




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    ^^F'ing well said!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironslave View Post
    These posts reveal the thing which will keep you from reaching your lofty expectations in bodybuilding, your mental outlook. Another 4 weeks would over diet you? Please, another 4 weeks and you'd be in pretty good bodybuilding show shape, and you'd look much bigger and better.

    The reason why many people were giving you grief about your conditioning a few weeks ago and encouraging you on is because you were/are further behind than you think. Did you listen? I'm willing to bet almost any money you didn't, especially with regards to doubling up the cardio like I suggested on the stepmill (another excuse, 'I like walking for cardio'.... F that, getting diced requires one of the two most important words which describe what it takes to prep for a bodybuilding show, sacrifice. This doesn't mean leisurely strolls, it means busting your ass for hours on end when your body is just screaming stop, and you struggle for each extra minute. Freak is right, if you don't feel like shit, you probably did something wrong.)


    This isn't meant to rag on you personally, and by no means am I or any of the others saying you don't look good. But just give you the constructive criticism and 'wake up call' you need. It's always some kind of excuse with you, (the lighting is bad, the pics don't do justice, the calipers said 5.8%, I want to avoid a division, the squats were parallel, etc etc etc.)

    For the vast majority of cases, ESPECIALLY at the amateur level, if I had to describe another word more than sacrifice which dives success in those who win shows, it would be desperation. These are the guys who are willing to pull out all the stops, stick to the diet as strict as possible, do the cardio for 15 minutes more than everyone else would, slave on the stepmill machine even though their legs are almost too tired to walk up stairs in their house, and so on.

    You are now at the point where almost every possibly counter physiological mechanism is kicking in to prevent you from losing more fat. Your total natural thyroid production has droped, T4-T3 thryoid hormone enzyme activity has plummeted, hunger hormones are through the roof, energy is zapped, and many others all of which make it seemingly impossible to keep losing fat, and you have to work more than twice as hard for less than half as much results (or even more of a difference in the ratio). This happens at the point of those "last few pounds" where you try to get out those lower abs, and so forth, but I'm talking way beyond that, I'm talking the point where hours upon hours of work might give an extra subtle cut in their quads, an extra vein here and there, a bit of extra definition of the brachialis, or other tiny changes. But guess what, the desperate guys work that much harder for those "tiny" changes, because they know separates those who place, and those who win.

    If you're content having pretty good abs, looking good at shows, and going to a division where you can get a top 3 finish and walking away with some kind of trophy, cool, that's fine, many people are. But, if you want to go somewhere and win shows, these are the things you need to think about every waking moment of every day (especially when it comes to the cardio). You need to start to sacrifice, and you need to get desperate.
    Thank you for that. Seriously, not for Duality's sake only but for my own. Thats the shit that keeps me pushing for my show. This is the mentality I am trying to take on and it is what separates the guy who looks good and is ripped from the guy who is sliced and wins despite the possible size disadvantage.


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    Spot on Ironslave. Repped! The fact Duality think 4 more weeks will overdiet him really shows that his judgment is badly clouded - I mean, just take JB as an example..he's about two months out from his show and his conditioning is way better than Dualitys.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironslave View Post
    You need to start to sacrifice, and you need to get desperate.
    I just popped a boner.




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    I think you should take your time more with dieting Duality. What I mean by that is adding at least 6-8 more weeks to your diet next time. (I have no idea how long this diet was for you).

    You're rushing everything in the last couple weeks to lose, and you obviously didn't give yourself enough time.




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    Spot on as usual IS.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex View Post
    I think you should take your time more with dieting Duality. What I mean by that is adding at least 6-8 more weeks to your diet next time. (I have no idea how long this diet was for you).

    You're rushing everything in the last couple weeks to lose, and you obviously didn't give yourself enough time.

    I think this is a good play too, you do want to be basically stage ready around 4 weeks out...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironslave View Post
    I think this is a good play too, you do want to be basically stage ready around 4 weeks out...
    Great post earlier IS.
    His diet was ~16 weeks out this time. He is still young and learning, I am sure he will find his niche and will get it down eventually. He has years in the sport ahead of him. I think he should get someone to do his diet for him, that way someone experienced and knows there stuff can do all the work for him. That way all he has to worry and think about is training, cardio and eating what he is told. That is what I plan on doing when I chose to compete again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironslave View Post
    These posts reveal the thing which will keep you from reaching your lofty expectations in bodybuilding, your mental outlook. Another 4 weeks would over diet you? Please, another 4 weeks and you'd be in pretty good bodybuilding show shape, and you'd look much bigger and better.

    The reason why many people were giving you grief about your conditioning a few weeks ago and encouraging you on is because you were/are further behind than you think. Did you listen? I'm willing to bet almost any money you didn't, especially with regards to doubling up the cardio like I suggested on the stepmill (another excuse, 'I like walking for cardio'.... F that, getting diced requires one of the two most important words which describe what it takes to prep for a bodybuilding show, sacrifice. This doesn't mean leisurely strolls, it means busting your ass for hours on end when your body is just screaming stop, and you struggle for each extra minute. Freak is right, if you don't feel like shit, you probably did something wrong.)


    This isn't meant to rag on you personally, and by no means am I or any of the others saying you don't look good. But just give you the constructive criticism and 'wake up call' you need. It's always some kind of excuse with you, (the lighting is bad, the pics don't do justice, the calipers said 5.8%, I want to avoid a division, the squats were parallel, etc etc etc.)

    For the vast majority of cases, ESPECIALLY at the amateur level, if I had to describe another word more than sacrifice which dives success in those who win shows, it would be desperation. These are the guys who are willing to pull out all the stops, stick to the diet as strict as possible, do the cardio for 15 minutes more than everyone else would, slave on the stepmill machine even though their legs are almost too tired to walk up stairs in their house, and so on.

    You are now at the point where almost every possibly counter physiological mechanism is kicking in to prevent you from losing more fat. Your total natural thyroid production has droped, T4-T3 thryoid hormone enzyme activity has plummeted, hunger hormones are through the roof, energy is zapped, and many others all of which make it seemingly impossible to keep losing fat, and you have to work more than twice as hard for less than half as much results (or even more of a difference in the ratio). This happens at the point of those "last few pounds" where you try to get out those lower abs, and so forth, but I'm talking way beyond that, I'm talking the point where hours upon hours of work might give an extra subtle cut in their quads, an extra vein here and there, a bit of extra definition of the brachialis, or other tiny changes. But guess what, the desperate guys work that much harder for those "tiny" changes, because they know separates those who place, and those who win.

    If you're content having pretty good abs, looking good at shows, and going to a division where you can get a top 3 finish and walking away with some kind of trophy, cool, that's fine, many people are. But, if you want to go somewhere and win shows, these are the things you need to think about every waking moment of every day (especially when it comes to the cardio). You need to start to sacrifice, and you need to get desperate.


    wow i wasn't aware i was going for my pro card. ya, i am content right now with a top 2 finish where i will easily be the youngest entrant. ya i am content with the MASSIVE improvement i made from last year. you don't believe me? why doesn't someone with some extra time on their hand go look at my old thread from last year. oh wait, that's just an excuse i forgot.

    my lofty goals.......lmao, where the hell did i say anything besides i want to take it one step at a time and qualify for the nationals? or do you just assume that based off my physique , which in that case, thank you.

    i'm sorry, this isn't an attack on you, but you, and some others, are the one who needs to get real. i'm 20 fucking years old, and will be competing in good shape at about 203lbs. this is a marathon, not a sprint. a good placing will be something to build on for future shows. you all won't give me anything because 1. you don't like me, or at least my personality 2. you all think i'm cocky and think if you give me an inch i'll take a mile. that's fine. quite honestly this site is getting me ready for real bodybuilding, which is learning how to deal with jerks and negativity.


    and fyi, my diet was 12 weeks




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    and, i almost forgot to address the good ones. thank you very much creator for the tips (flexing my legs at all times is f'ing hard, i have trouble remembering at times) and mvs, yes, my back is holding water more than my other extremities, i'm going to start water manipulation/dropping because i do tend to hold water even when i'm lean. and to tkd, thanks brother.


    another 2 or 3 weeks would get me shredded. and also place me in the light heavies, may i ask why it is so hard to comprehend why i'd rather come in in good shape with good size, and place well in a division where the dudes typically AREN'T shredded, rather than come in shredded, and potentially not? it seems to bamboozle a couple of you.

    btw that last statement was not directed at you Lance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duality View Post
    another 2 or 3 weeks would get me shredded. and also place me in the light heavies, may i ask why it is so hard to comprehend why i'd rather come in in good shape with good size, and place well in a division where the dudes typically AREN'T shredded, rather than come in shredded, and potentially not? it seems to bamboozle a couple of you.
    Why not just give it the best you've got and hopefully place well in the light heavies? The tougher the competition the sweeter it will be winning.
    If you can't come in shredded in the weight class you're aiming for because you'll be too light, then you are not heavy/big enough for that weight class yet.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duality View Post
    i'm 20 fucking years old
    And you're acting every bit of it.






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